Life After Hillary: Moving on After Your Candidate Loses
With Hillary Clinton set to concede the Democratic nomination to Barack Obama, supporters of the former First Lady have a difficult transition to make.
Their aspirations to elect their candidate to the corner office took an increasingly divisive tone over the past weeks. Sen. Clinton unconsciously connected her rival to a presidential candidate assassinated while campaigning in the month of June (Robert Kennedy), and her campaign charged that the Obama campaign had a gun to her head to force her to quit the race.
Talk about politics as a blood sport. How does a Hillary Clinton loyalist line up behind her nemesis?
From a psychological perspective, the answer to that question is: Not right away and not necessarily shoulder-to-shoulder.
Clinton supporters will need a little time to let the final chapters of their candidate’s campaign echo in their minds. They’ll need to grieve the loss of what looked like a sure thing and which has the language of death so closely associated with it.
They’ll need to date the political process for a little while before falling in love again — with the real potential to advance their ideas, if not their candidate.
To rush this process would be to short-circuit it. The wounds inflicted by each candidate on the other are too deep. They can’t be magically healed with a photo op or a raised hand.
Pretending Clinton support translates in a wholesale way to Obama needlessly inserts falsehood into a movement that all of us, regardless of our politics, would have to admit is fueled by passion.
Hatred of John McCain will not immediately galvanize Democrats into a united force. McCain is, simply put, hard to hate. The most unsympathetic of biographers would not question his patriotism or bravery or character or commitment.
Not even Obama choosing Clinton for his running mate would bridge the psychological divide here. That would create the immediate specter of a dysfunctional marriage in need of emergent counseling. It would look and feel like a shotgun wedding. And there’s that image of a gun again. Best to steer clear.
No. This will take a little time. And giving voice to that fact, actually verbalizing the idea that Clinton supporters can gravitate into Obama’s orbit, not rocket there, is the best way that Democrats can make it happen, in due time.
Dr. Ablow is a psychiatry correspondent for FOX News Channel. He is the author of Living the Truth: Transform Your Life Through the Power of Insight and Honesty. Visit his Web site at www.livingthetruth.com.
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Our family was strongly behind Hillary Clinton and most all our relatives and neighbors. NONE of us have any intention of supporting Obama. We have already switched over to John McCain. It is that simple. I think this is true of MOST of Hillary’s supporters.
Nobody hates McCain, they see him as too old and too much of the same old Bush policies that have failed our country for over seven years. Why would anyone want more of what we’ve suffered? You must really hate America to want a continuation of Bush. No, people don’t hate McCain, they just see him as not good for the US.
Thank you for the rational, well-reasoned words. I will, of course, support Mr. Obama, but this will help me explain to my friends why I haven’t immediately rushed out to make pro-Obama placards.
Clinton supporters are not in need of psychological help, neither
is there any reason for anyone to think that Clinton lost anything.
How could she lose something she never had, the superdelegates
who said they were for her were never for her, otherwise they
would have stuck by her, so she didn’t lose anything. The DNC
lost it’s credibility on Saturday at the Florida Michigan meeting
and Harold Ickes laid it out most clearly. The truth will set you
free as it says in the Bible, and the sooner the better!
Voting for McBush instead of Obama because you hold a grudge is idiotic. Clinton is a pathological liar. McBush will continue the unconstitutional wars and warrantless spying on Americans. Obama is the clear choice.
Anyone who would vote for McCain, just because Hillary lost, don’t let the door hit you. The Democrats nether want nor care a shit about voters like yourself.
Do some of you realize that the US Congress is composed of mostly Democrats? So, why would you want a Democrat to be the US President when Congress has failed us more than what many folks claim Bush has? By the way, Congress has a lower approval than Bush — check it out.
We need oil, yet the Democrats won’t allow drilling where the oil is located in our country. I am a wild life defender, but I select our country’s needs over the Polar Bear!
I smile most of the time I see female posters pretending to be Clinton democrats voting for McCain. They are not. They’re republican tools trying to stir up feelings of divisiveness. What these idiots don’t realize is that the average American isn’t sucked into the comments section of online new articles and isn’t swayed by crazy rants from people pretending to middle aged white women switching from Clinton to McCain, who represents everything Clinton is fighting against.
Scarlete: you are a ghoul. We need to expan on alternative energy, and get OFF of our dependence on oil.
I do not care if Hillary concedes or not I made my mind up long ago when I heard Barack Hussein Obama lie repeated about not knowing the Syrian criminal Tony Rezko ( who was just convicted of numberous crimes just this last week). Obama said he hardly knew Rezko but in fact Rezko helped him get his home he currently owns. Obama said that Rezko had only given him a few thousand dollars in contributions but it was over 250,000 dollars 4 lies later. He said that he never heard Jeremiah Wright use questionable rhetoric in 23 years of attending the Trinity church (he must have been asleep during the sermons). He says he is not muslim but he chose a church that in my opinion is Anti-American. He says he loves this country but his wife is not proud of it unless she gets to be First Lady, she is making much more money now than before he was elected to the US senate how is that for special interest groups (he says he does not support lobbiest BS).
I have made my mind up that Barack Hussein Obama is not an honorable man, he will tell you what you want to hear, he shuns his white heritage but he wants the white working class vote.
If you think I am making this up then do your self a favor and go check it out on the internet your self you be the judge.
Congress had its low approval rating when it was almost exclusively Republican. A republican controlled congress for most of the last 15 years and a Republican controlled executive branch for the past 8 have done nothing but damage this country.
The reason the currently Democratically controlled congress hasn’t accomplished much is because the few republicans that haven’t been kicked out yet stonewall and obstruct progress.
They vote for enormous increases in war expenditures and DHS expansions, and then turn around and call the DEMOCRATS fiscally irresponsible for wanting to invest 1/100th of that price in alternative energy? It’s bull!
“Her campaign charged that the Obama campaign had a gun to her head to force her to quit the race.”
It seems you really wanted to run with that gun metaphor, but this is sloppy writing and sloppy journalism. Noone put a gun to Hillary or her campaign, she simply didn’t win. And once it was clear that she lost, Obama was in no rush to push her out, he simply shifted focus to the general election (after all, the money Hillary raises will most likely be merged with Obama’s campaign fund once she can pay herself back those huge loans).
As for McCain’s impregnable character, it’s important to balance that sort of statement by pointing out that he has voted the Republican (and Bush) party line nearly every time for the last several years, despite his “Maverick” image. And he does have a well-known temper (calling his wife an unsavory word in public) that may be a result of post-traumatic stress. He certainly does have a service record worthy of the highest honor, but that does not magically make any other personality or political faults disappear. Especially for someone running for the nation’s highest office.
I think it is good to see Hillary and Barack patch things up. What I do not understand is why people keep quoting the democratic mantra that McCain and Bush are alike. There is no proof of that whatsoever. Even Hillary sided with President Bush from time to time. Bush has been demonized by the media for so long that people have lost all perspective of who this fine man truly is. I do not agree with everything he has done, but that same thing could be said about every president in the past 60 years of my life. None of these commentators have ever personally met President Bush, yet are so destructive in their analysis of him. It just goes to show the power of the biased press on uneducated or uninformed people. Where were these same people when President Johnson and subsequent Presidents bungled the war in Viet Nam. I know where I was, I was in the combat zone fighting a war for the freedom of the Vietnamese people froma communist regime, while these pinheads were unwittingly causing the demoralization of the American troops. When I came home from combat, I was met with “no respect” for my service to my country. I became a baby killer, overnight. I really think if these people will wake up and become independent thinkers we can avoid a repeat of that scenario, but they show the same zealotry as the people did back then. Just get out of the war at any cost. I watched as thousands died after we pulled out of Vietnam. Is that the type of disater we want?
Electing Obama was all setup, you know why because dnc is devided they had two candidates and they always backed Obama the baggage he has up his but they disregarded, stupid Dick Morris talking BS for Hillary he is got to be ashame of himself. I dont think Hallery supporters would ever forget that.
This article is idiotic. Why is the Fox News “Health blog” taking on the issue of what Hillary supporters should do? Talk about a stretch…
Fox News, don’t worry about the Democrats emotional problems. Hillary had a good campaign, but Barack Obama is the candidate and will be supported. Nobody in their right mind would move from supporting Hillary to supporiting the Republicans.
What the the Fox “right-wing” News should be worried about is how badly the Democratic candidate is going to beat McCain in the election. Hint: VERY BADLY.
> NONE of us have any intention of supporting Obama.
Let go of your anger and use your head. Do you really want 4 more years of Economic downturn, war, and poor international relations?
That is what you will be supporting in November unless you smarten up.
SCATLETE…you scare me!
It is extremely frustrating to see all these people, like Judy, saying” I’ll never vote Obama, if I can’t have Hillary, I’m voting McCain”. I wonder if you people drink coffee, because it’s time to wake up and smell it. If you supported Clinton for what she stood for then a vote for McCain is a vote against Everything Clinton stands for. Wether you like Obama or not, the only hope we have of turning things around in this country is a democrat in office. Please ask youselves if you have enjoyed a failing economy, if you have enjoyed your tax dollars going to a war that is probably more about protecting the U.S. interest in middle east oil than it is about spreading “democracy”, if you, or someone you know enjoys not having any sort of affordable healthcare, and if you also like paying four dollars a gallon,and living in a throw away society (if you don’t think we need to move towards cleaner, renewable fuels, energy, and resources) ……..by all means vote for McCain, because if this is the case,YOU NEVER REALLY SUPPORTED CLINTON IN THE FIRST PLACE. I know changes in the above mentioned areas will not happen over night but the thing is that with more republican rule they will not happen at all. THE COFFEE IS BREWING.
No matter how may of you vote for McCain – because you are butt-hurt that Hillary isn’t the front runner, – the fact remains…your candidate LOST and you cant get that back! even if McCain wins, you still loose!
“Hatred of John McCain will not immediately galvanize Democrats into a united force. McCain is, simply put, hard to hate. The most unsympathetic of biographers would not question his patriotism or bravery or character or commitment. ”
That is a good point. I never thought about the fact that it is really hard to hate McCain, even though I don’t like him and didn’t want him as the Republican nominee.
I also don’t like nor trust Obama, but he is really hard to hate as well. I find he would be harder to love though because we know nothing about him.
Think about it, on January 3, 2005, Obama wasn’t even a US senator and as of now he is the Democratic nominee to become President of the United states. That means 25 months of being a US senator and then Obama declared his candidacy for President. I’ll tell you one thing he has, and that is confidence.
George W Bush was similar in that he had very little experience but Obama is even more extraordinary because his father wasn’t president. Obama is kind of like Oprah, just another politician/TV-Host to US Presidential Nominee/Most influential Woman in the World. Crazy, scary, impressive? You be the judge.
Whoever becomes President, McCain or Obama, (or a thid party, lol) I hope they do an excellent job.
I can’t see myself voting for McBush under any circumstances but I also have a big problem with someones ability to lead the country when after attending the same church for 20 years they have no concept of their pastors values. I will probably switch to the green party. I realize that this will draw flack from BHO supporters as their only means of supporting their candidate is to be extremely negative in thier remarks concerning other candidates but the facts remain, HRC has been dealing with foreign dignitaries and serving in the senate for years and has the necessary knowledge to lead.
Judy-
So you are willing to vote for someone who is against ALL HIllary’s causes?
Even though she tells you openly to vote for Obama? Don’t you trust her judgment? Or is she just telling a bold-faced lie?
Although I sympathize with your frustration that your candidate lost, it’s becoming more obvious to me that your position is nothing more than sour grapes. You are free to do as you will, but be clear that you’re not voting FOR McCain, just against Obama. That doesn’t win elections.
(BTW, many of my friends were Hillary supporters and they are ALL voting for Obama.)
Whoa Scarlete, that is crazy, I didn’t know Congress’s job approval was so low. Funny huh, McCain, Obama, Clinton, all part of that Congress with an incredibly low approval.
I was a Clinton supporter. The moment she indicated she would concede to Obama, I became an Obama supporter. Did I magically fall in love with Obama? Nope. But I think you underestimate the distrust and distaste the majority of Democrats (and, I would say, the majority of Americans) have for the Republican party at this point in history. I don’t need to “hate” John McCain – I just need to see the R next to his name to know that I will not be voting for him.
To all the “Democrats” that say they are going to vote McCain..get real, NO YOU WON’T! Hillary will come out and encourage you to vote for Obama and you will… so put out the burning crosses, suck it up and be the “Democrat” you are..unless you want to poke a stick in your eye and be a 2 time looser if you do vote McCain!
#1 I really don’t understand Democrats that say they will now vote for McCain… How does one switch parties that are so different. Idolizing any politician shows that one has not put any study in choosing a candidate to support. Clinton and Obama have many of the same thoughts on issues whereas McCain and the Republican Party (or independant) are very different!! How foulish to abandon the party of your choice for a grudge!
#2 Why would anyone think that Clinton would be a good choice for VP? I am certain that she and Bill would find a way to discredit anything Obama would do in order to have him impeached and for her to take the presidency! It appears that Hillary does not know how to lose!
I am a Hillary supporter and a Democrat, but I will not vote for Obama. Who wants bad BO in the whitehouse anyways. McCain ‘08!
McCain as a person may be hard to hate, but his policies are easy to despise…
Judy and others like her who would rather vote Republican than their own party are crazy. Obama and Clinton are MUCH more similar than Clinton and McCain.
Have all Clinton supporters forgot about IRAQ?!
Gee, I wonder what reason would a Clintons supporter switch parties in light of the fact Obama and Clinton are far more similar than McCain and Obama.
Scarlete, We don’t really need oil, that is the sad thing. We need clean, renewable fuels. There is so much technology….electreic cars, etc…. The only reason we don’t already take advantage of all this is because of big business, big oil, and the government bedding down together. Just because they tell you we need oil does not mean it’s true. Why keep drilling for a fossil fuel that the world will no longer have in 75 years. I even think hybrid cars are a crock, since thay are still dependant on gasoline, we have the ability to produce electric cars that use zero gasoline. But money talks, and there is alot of it in oil. Have fun killing polar bears.
SCARLETTE….why are you “canning” all republicans? Republican = OIL Democrats = Polar Bears?? what you are saying is typical…republicans will suck down every drop of our resources and toss it aside and move on to something else! what happens when the oil is gone…or we get down to an extreme low? just poke holes all over the earth and suck out what we can? again, use it up and toss it aside…you do realize we have to share resources with the rest of the world, right? it’s not all about the USA – This use it up mentality is exactly why the rest of the world hates us!
I voted for Hillary in Florida but gradually became an Obama supporter. My wife I and I had both decided that we would be voting DEMOCRATIC this year regardless of which one of them became the candidate
Travis: Calling Hillary a liar is pointless. We need to all come together now. There is no sense in focusing on the differences. The Republicans are still going to try and drive a wedge – lets not help them. Hopefully Hillary’s supporters will see that it is the country that is at stake here.
Scarlete: Opening the wilderness areas to drilling won’t solve the problem. The problem isn’t lack of oil as much as it is NO TRUE MARKETS. The price is being manipulated by a home grown cartel – don’t just blame OPEC. They are recording record profits and the current administration has done NOTHING to slow that down.
I’ve become a twanda voter. The DNC is full of backroom politics that never represented my voice. I’m tired of it and seriously doubt I’ll vote for Obama. The press & politicians can discount women – but this year the election will be close enough that our vote will make a difference.
As all hope for Ms. Clinton chances for the presidency is exhausted just watch her supporters as they suddenly realize they will not be getting federal government jobs.
Judy,
A question: Does the fact that you switched from Hillary to McCain mean that you only supported the candidate, but not her issues?
Hillary wants universal health care for all Americans. McCain has no intention of providing universal health care. Obama wants to make it available and affordable to all citizens.
Hillary wants to end the war in Iraq. McCain vows to continue the war indefinitely. Obama wants to target a specific end to the war.
Hillary wants to continue tax cuts for the middle and lower classes while raising taxes on high income earners and capital gains. Obama wants to do the same. McCain wants to make the Bush tax cuts, including those to high income earners and for capital gains permanent.
So on the three fundamental policy issues of the election, Hillary and Obama are in fundamental lockstep while McCain is fundamentally opposed on all three.
As stated in the article, losing hurts. But again I ask, did you only support Hillary as a candidate, or are her issues worthy of supporting to?
It’s a fundamental question that Obama, Hillary, and the DNC needs to address. Because if the majority of Hillary Democrats feel the way Judy does come November, then McCain will win.
And all Democrats, with their fundamental agreement on the major issues, lose.
To Hillary supporters who are thinking about voting for McCain. Why did you want to vote for Hillary in the first place? Because you saw her as a chance for change: for health care for all, for ending the war in Iraq, for restoring women’s reproductive rights, for appointing liberal judges to the Supreme Court. You had a vision of a world that Hillary could help you see.
If you vote for McCain, you’re voting to the virtual dead-end all of those dreams. Do you really want to do that?
In the early days of the campaign Patti Solis Doyle (who coined “Hillaryland,” of which she claimed to be “queen bee”) sent an e-mail to supporters discussing how she and staff conducted Hillary dress-up days during which they dressed as “different Hillary’s” at various stages of her career.
With this kind of “hen party feminism,” how can we expect mature political judgment from Hillary or those close to her? She should have conceded days ago.
As for those who need psychotherapy after a badly botched campaign: As Hillary said, “If you can’t stand the heat,….”
Clinton supporter, NOT voting for Obama! Not into evangelical pie-in-the-sky talk. He needs to get real.
Hillary supporters that are (saying) they are voting for McCain…You can’t just leave it at being a looser..you have to go for two times??? wow…doesn’t make sense…maybe thats how your life goes.
This was a very well-reasoned article. As an Obama supporter, I can certainly empathize with how Hillary supporters must feel. If the shoe was on the other foot, which it could’ve easily been, I would need some time to get over my disappointment as well. But to vote for McCain out of spite is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. For all of their personality differences, Hillary and Obama are pretty lock step on virtually all issues. McCain is distinctly different. If you care about more affordable/universal health care, McCain is not your man. If you care about making education more affordable for all, MCain in not your man. If you care about poverty in this country, McCain is not your man. If you care about better diplomacy with our foreign enemies as well as our friends, McCain is not not your man. If you want to end the war in Iraq, McCain is not your man. For all of the Maverick talk, he really does represent more of the same in so many ways. To vote against your interests makes no sense at all…but I guess emotional decisions often have nothing to do being rationale. Hopefully over the next few months, Hillary’s supporters’ wounds will heal and we can all come together for the good of the party and the country as a whole.
Obama is skillful with words but a good speech on cake does not put bread on my table.
The press keeps going goo goo gaa gaa over Obama and his silver tongue. American voters need in-depth reports on his records and his agenda. The media needs to apply the same standard on him as on Bush. Obama is no baby wearing diaper and running for presidency is no beauty baby contest.
That’s alright John1945 you hurting the Democrats by voting for the Green party will be offset by me voting Libertarian or writing in Ron Paul and hurting the Republicans.
This whole conversation is ridiculous. It should never be party vs. party, but rather who is the best and most qualified candidate that represents your views best. I think this country would be better off just to abolish the entire party system. I don’t see that these candidates have had any trouble fundraising during the primaries, when they received no party money, so why would it be any different if parties did not exist?
I am not surprised at this ridiculous psychological article. It’s right in tone with the Obama campaign’s message to Hillary’s women supporters: you are hormonal, menopausal, old, emotional and irrational. Thanks but no thanks for the brain massage offer. I am angry at the blatant sexism I have witnessed and plan to turn it into political action, not a trip to the psychologist.
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I am a Hillary supporter, and not Barack. As a gay, I just can’t support a man who uses gay hating speakers at his rallies for black voters. Even confronted beforehand, Barack went ahead with his program, not cutting the speaker. The day after, he said, something like, “look (he seems to use that phrase as a sequitur which makes everything said afterwards sensible to a reasonable person, as in “clearly any fool could see…” ) you can’t please all the people and there are differences in groups that offend each other, and I was using the speaker for his appeal to the black voter, not as support of his controversial views.” (i paraphrase but the content is accurate). To him I say, “Look, Senator Obama, using someone so hateful towards homosexuals, is clearly hateful.”
So who do I vote for? Surely not a Republican pandering to the Christian hate filled voters. I would say the same to any religious group espousing hate, but the Republicans garnered their corner with hate filled Christians.
Then it dawned on me. My daughter while attending an Ivy League school during the Gore/Bush election, told me she and her cream-of-the-crop student friends were voting Green, Nader. I balked and argued that the election may be lost to Bush with this strategy, you never know how close elections are, and don’t throw away your vote. It fell on deaf ears.
Now that the young have embraced a candidate in a traditional party, I think I’ll vote Green. I’m not happy with either of the parties’ candidates, and a vote for Nader is my vote. I won’t vote for Barack, I don’t trust he’s above the black cultural stereotype of bashing gays.
Would you befriend the guy that was about to beat up your sister? If you think that Barack was rough on Hillary in the primaries then I have a question for you; how gentle do you think John McCain was going to be on her in the general election? But don’t mind me, as a Republican I accept your defection with open arms.
@Scarlete:
Only when the last fish has been caught, when the last tree felled, and the last drop of oil burned in your SUV will you realize that money cannot be eaten. You have my deepest pity.
You Americans are so ******. Of the three candidates, only Clinton had the real capability of making any positive change and SHE is the first one out??! Obama is so much like Bush, naive & gullible. The Washington wolves will devour him. Making Obama the President of USA is like making a fresh engineering graduate the CMD of Microsoft Inc. As a non american and an outsider its so obvious that Obama won the demo. nom. because 100% of the Black Democrats voted for him. And that is Racism.
I disagree completely, this is a republican wish list. I supported Hillary, and are you kidding me, you think the choice between Barrack and John will be difficult. If McCain gets one of one hundred Hillary supporters he would be lucky. Nice try, though. Maybe you should write on the difficulty of supporting a total loser like McCain, You would have more concerned readers. Republicans got all they are getting. They got out of 4-8 more years of a Clinton presidency, so be happy with that.
I think all of the Clinton supporters should encourage her to run as an independent! Then she would get the most votes and be President!
Republicans have admitted that they voted for Obama in the primaries, so that he would be the Dem Nominee, then in the Pres. election, they will vote for Mcain and he will win ! They knew that Obama, couldn’t beat Mcain, but that Hillary could. Who says the GOP is stupid? Their plan worked!
Hey! Quite obviously JUDY CAMPANELLA is not a real person. Not a Democrat, in any case who would have voted for Hillary Clinton in the first place. Just somone hoping to foment a little turmoil in this little corner of the Internet (and it can’t really get much smaller than the Health Blog at Fox News, can it?
Let him, or her, try to convince you that there’s a big movement out there to vote for McCain just because Clinton wasn’t first choice. I can’t believe that could stick.
Hey Tom, I apologize on behalf of Christians that know Christ if you personally have been treated with hate by professing Christians. I am a Christian and even if I disagree with your lifestyle, I disagree with it on the same level as heterosexuals having sex before marriage, but that doesn’t mean as people I hate any gays. I have gay friends whom I love and care about and they know what I believe but I treat them with respect and they in turn respect me even though they disagree with my beliefs. They are human beings just like me and should be treated like no less.
You know in Christ’s day his strongest words were for the Pharisees and his softest and most loving words were for the broken and those shunned by the religious. He didn’t approve of the prostitute’s lifestyle but he loved her nonetheless. I don’t think he would necessarily agree with the gay lifestyle, but I can almost bet he would have his strongest words to those hypocrites professing to be Christians.
I myself am aware of how sinful I am, why should I judge someone for their sin when I practice the same sin in a different way.
I hope that you one day get to meet some Christians who aren’t so full of hate, but who show you the same love Christ showed them, who loved them while they were nothing but sin.
I too am not voting for either of the two parties, nor did i in 2004. I’ll vote Libertarian probably.
All I can see is shrewd political posturing by Obama and Clinton, for the purely egotistical goal of getting to the White House! Although Clinton has more policy substance than Obama, the country appears to be snarled in the hypnotic web of a prolific speaker who changes his opinions constantly, and who offers little concrete CHANGES in his projected empty policies. Senator Obama’s rhetoric is enticing, beguiling and riveting at first, but upon analysis offers little in terms of world leadership and the solving of major problems facing the USA. It is mind boggling albeit entertaining to watch the drama unfold, but likewise nauseating, as one watches the political sham being played out with an apparent disregard for anybody with a semblance of intelligence. What is bafflling is why the voters are not researching the true facts, instead of responding emotionally to a young man who has little to offer the country but his lack of experience and his devotion to getting himself elected. As for Mrs. Clinton, she is to be admired, but she too is now caving in to the Democratic Party forcing women of intelligence who once supported her for being strong, different and a true leader, to move on to support the statesmanlike leadership and experience of Senator McCain. The Democrats are shameless in their dedication to tying him in with George Bush, but if they too, get their facts straight, they would see that they are being unfair and untruthful. His age seems to be a divisive factor, when his years of admirable service should be a plus. To negate his intelligence, his service to the country, his vast experience as well as his willingness to work with both parties, his intelligent and astute grasp of world politics makes him the obvious choice. As the mass hypnosis prevails and most of the press genuflects to Obama, there seems to be little doubt as to his success. It’s a pity that the voters are shallow enough to vote for age, colour, and the ability to articulate when so much is at stake. Responsible voters should wake up out of their trances and catch up on some factual reading. They may be surprised at what they learn. It’s not about political parties; it’s about keeping the USA in its position in the world, and safe from further attacks. Anybody can promise “Change” – but can they guarantee that the change will be positive? McCain promises “changes” with substance, changes for the good of all, and CHANGES that will promote a thriving economy, a wind down of the war in Iraq in a conscientious manner, and to keeping the country safe. Charisma and charismatic promises of change may possibly come with a deadly codicil that could continue the impotent love affair with the Democratic Congress which has been proven to be inept. Changes are what matters. Change for the sake of change is like selling ice to the Inuit. Redundant and non productive! Let us hope that at some point, reason will prevail!
People don’t get it. This was an election that was decided long ago. It was between a man and a woman. The red carpet was laid out for the man, while the woman faced sexism and disrespect. Racism was swiftly attacked and sexism was ignored. This is a lot more than just disappointment about losing a fair race.
To all Obama supporters insulting Hillary supporters’ comments here:
You are not being productive. Your job as an Obama supporter, if you want it, is to focus on why Obama is better than McCain. Simply insulting Hillary supporters who are having a hard time crossing over to Obama is not a way to help Obama win in November. You need to get over the fact that Obama doesn’t immediately appeal to everyone, roll up your sleeves and get to work convincing people of Obama’s abilities.
There are reasons why I supported Hillary, and some of those reasons point me toward McCain (like their thinking on not meeting with foreign dictators without conditions and their thinking on not broadcasting random redeployment out of Iraq dates). No, I will not vote for McCain. Yes, I will vote for Obama. BUT, there are many Hillary supporters who I know won’t go as willingly for Obama and their reasons are broader than spite or anger. They are real. For example, McCain’s economic plans will really benefit some of the more well-off Clinton supporters more than Obama’s plans. That is enticing, if people are concerned about their pocketbooks. SO, please think before you insult. Thank you.
I think all of the Clinton supporters should encourage her to run as an independent! Then she would get the most votes and be President!
Republicans have admitted that they voted for Obama in the primaries, so that he would be the Dem Nominee, then in the Pres. election, they will vote for Mcain and he will win ! They knew that Obama, couldn’t beat Mcain, but that Hillary could. Who says the GOP is stupid? Their plan worked!
I vote for the person, not the party. Obama is too inexperienced, and has his own agenda, I think he is a racist, and a liar and he would not work for ALL of the people and their issuse like Hillary would, and ALWAYS has. She never uttered the words, “Black”, “White”, Hispanic, Asian, etc. She wants health care for ALL people, Social Security for ALL people, tax cuts for the working classes, no matter the race or nationality.
Waaaahhhhh, my candidate didn’t win, waaaaaaaahhhhhhh! I’m voting for McCain, waaaaahhhhhhhh!!! I don’t care if he’s for the war or wiretapping or any of the other things that are ruining this country because i’m a sore loser, WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Are you listening to yourselves? WAKE UP!!!
When will the media and Obama supporters understand the real issue here? It isn’t just that Hillary was subjected to an unbelievable amount of hatred and sexism during this entire race. It isn’t just the lameness of the DNC and Democratic politicians following the media’s cries for Hillary to “give up”, as far back as the New Hampshire primary. It isn’t just that my candidate lost.
The issue is that Barak Obama has spent his 46 years wheeling and dealing in Chicago politics with the sole aim of promoting himself. There is no evidence that he has ever helped anyone but himself (except for helping Rezko sell unfit housing to the poor). He has no accomplishments that in any way compare to Hillary Clinton’s many years of service to such causes as children’s rights and civil rights, not to mention breaking down all sorts of barriers to women. And now we have to listen to a bunch of naive lemmings repeat ad nauseum what a wonderful leader Obama is and what great things he will do for our country. Based on what? His cadence and timing in delivering canned speeches? His use of the word “we”? His tone of idealism (unmatched by his actions)? His ability to bring people together (lousy job so far)? And as a lifelong Democrat I am obliged to vote for him?
Not a chance. Nor will my family. We can live with McCain. We owe Obama and his lackies nothing. And when he loses, the media and all the other Obamophiles will have only themselves to blame.
I think the implicit motive underlying this article wasn’t so much to “help” those of us who supported Hillary to move on. Rather, it seems to me that the goal was rather FOX-ey: to help McCain by making it seem that those of us supporting Hillary are suffering a traumatic loss akin to the death of a loved one. I’ve been a huge Hillary supporter (and donor) of Hillary for the past 6 years and I don’t think Obama’s win feels anything like when I lost my father or grandmother. Please!
While some may truly be grieving and want help choosing their next candidate, it seems rather patronizing to tell us to slow down, nurse our “wounds”, and “echo in our minds” the (particularly contentious) “final chapters” of Hillary’s campaign.
If that’s helpful, sure, I’d say do it. But if you don’t feel like you need to exercise your painful-loss muscles, you might also consider exercising your I-Will-Survive muscles. I have, and I find it psychologically empowering. I’ve decided that I’ll choose my next candidate from the standpoint of one who has Grown From Loss rather than someone who is a Victim Of Loss.
I’ll follow Hillary and put my support behind Obama.
Man foxnews is biased. Oh well so is MSNBC and CBS.
I guess our media is still better than China’s.
One who loses is a “loser” not a “looser”.
“Looser” means increasingly loose, which is the opposite of “tight”, not the opposite of “win”.
Dr. Alblow,
So in other words, Senator Clinton was wrong when she assured insiders, donors and supporters that her staying in the race past Wisconsin posed no threat to party unity because “it will all be forgotten in days”?
I mean, if I understand you correctly, she was as wrong as wrong can be. She didn’t the very people who she claimed to be campaigning for and worse. She didn’t even understand herself. Or maybe she understood both but just lied about it to deflect the pressure. But either way, Dr. Albow, in your professional opinion. Senator Clinton’s judgement was appallingly bad.
Hmmm …
I have to admit, it’s hard to see how one could avoid that conclusion. Many people at the time, including those closest to her, questioned her judgement on that point.
But don’t you find it stunning how certain she can be about something that almost everyone else realized was certainly wrong? I mean, it’s not like she said “I think it will be OK …” or “well maybe but I’m fairly confident that won’t be a problem …” or “yes, that will be a huge problem but I’m so much better than he is that the risk is worth it …” No. She was dead certain it wouldn’t be any kind of problem whatsoever, assuming she wasn’t just lying.
What do you make of that Dr. Albow? What window into her character does that stunning anomaly reveal? It would helpful to get a professional opinion because I’m sure Senator Clinton would never seek out one herself.
Susan B.
Dr. Alblow,
So in other words, Senator Clinton was wrong when she assured insiders, donors and supporters that her staying in the race past Wisconsin posed no threat to party unity because “it will all be forgotten in days”?
I mean, if I understand you correctly, she was as wrong as wrong can be. She didn’t the very people who she claimed to be campaigning for and worse. She didn’t even understand herself. Or maybe she understood both but just lied about it to deflect the pressure. But either way, Dr. Albow, in your professional opinion. Senator Clinton’s judgement was appallingly bad.
Hmmm …
I have to admit, it’s hard to see how one could avoid that conclusion. Many people at the time, including those closest to her, questioned her judgement on that point.
But don’t you find it stunning how certain she can be about something that almost everyone else realized was certainly wrong? I mean, it’s not like she said “I think it will be OK …” or “well maybe but I’m fairly confident that won’t be a problem …” or “yes, that will be a huge problem but I’m so much better than he is that the risk is worth it …” No. She was dead certain it wouldn’t be any kind of problem whatsoever, assuming she wasn’t just lying.
What do you make of that Dr. Albow? What window into her character does that stunning anomaly reveal? It would helpful to get a professional opinion because I’m sure Senator Clinton would never seek out one herself.
Background – 20 years military service, 4 years military contractor. I have SEEN the government work from the inside. Please answer this one little question…
Why would ANYONE want the US Government to have ANY say in your health care? Are you freaking NUTS? Universal Health Care is NOT the correct answer. TORT reforms to eliminate the “something bad happened to me so I deserve to get rich” lawsuits will dramatically reduce health care costs. Look at Canada before you stand on your Universal Health Care box.
And, about the war in Iraq – again, with 24 years of military experience – this war has been coming since the 1980’s. Radical Islamists want to kill you, your spouse, your children, your neighbors, and your dog. We following the WORLD’s intelligence lead and found ourselves in Iraq. At least the day to day, door to door fighting is THERE, not in downtown Chicago, or New York, or San Antonio. It is a difference of ideology. The US (and the majority of the world) want to be in peace – radical Islam does not allow for any other ideas other than that of THEIR view of the Koran.
This war was going to happen somewhere. I’ve been to Iraq, to Kuwait, to Saudi, to Afganistan and to Kyrgyzstan. They all suck, but I would rather ME have to go there than for my son to have to do it here.
Just my 2 cents. Have a great weekend. McCain ‘08.
Does anyone remember Jimmy Carter??? Arguably the worst president of all time. Obama is Carter times a factor of 10. Hilary has failed at every major challenge in her life. Her marriage is a sham, her attempt to overhaul health-care was a huge failure and now her management of her own campaign was a disaster by all accounts. Yet there are those who hold so much antipathy towards Republicans that they would rather have a proven failure, Hilary or a guy with so little experience that NOT ONE Major corporation would hire to manage a branch office, let alone run the entire corporation. The best that can be said of Obama is he can deliver a very well prepared speech. When any of his supporters are asked to detail ONE major accomplishment they are at a loss. Simply repeating the populist democratic slogans is not enough to govern a country. Saying we need energy independence yet refusing to look at our own reserves is one such self-inflicted wound. Making ‘corporate America’ the bad guy is another. The same companies that provide goods, services and most importantly jobs to millions of Americans are routinely made the scape goat for the failure of Congress, not the President, who simply signs bills.
The choices this election year are dismal but for those who think Obama is the next best thing since sliced bread they better get prepared for a rude awakening. If he were to win, and that is a huge IF, since so many of the so-called Democrats [who claimed to be color blind] will refuse to vote for a black man in states such as Pennsylvania, West Virginia and others. His appeal will soon wear off while muddling along attempting to re-create a socialist AMERIKA.
Travis: If you are correct that “Clinton is a pathological liar.” then wouldn’t anything positive that Clinton will now say about Obama also be a flat out lie? In that case, shouldn’t Obama ask her to NOT campaign for him, and please fold up her pup tent and be very quiet? ?
Adam, to correct comment grammar is a bit childish!
suck it up losers!!!!! quit your crying HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Travis: If you are correct that Clinton is a pathological liar, then won’t anything positive that she now will say about Obama also be a flat out lie? In that case shouldn’t Obama as her NOT to campaign for him? Shouldn’t he ask her to fold up her pup tent, and say absolutely nothing about him?
HI Mary,
“He has no accomplishments that in any way compare to Hillary Clinton’s”
That’s an excellent reason too vote for Senator Clinton rather than Senator Obama during the Democratic primary. But I don’t yet see how it’s any kind of reason to vote for Senator McCain rather than Senator Obama in November.
What will you tell your daughters or mine when they ask why their generation was denied the right to an abortion because if judicial appointments made by President McCain? Do you think they’ll thank you and say “Ahhh, but of course. Far better to lose our right to an abortion than vote for a less accomplished Democrat running against a more accomplished Republican!”
Me, I don’t think so. But hey, YMMV and probably does.
Susan B.
The spirit of Hillary will still be alive in Obama (and probably physically right next to him in one way or another). And Obama believes in a woman’s right to choose which I feel is important. Whilst McCain has never given birth so it easy for him to send kids over to take their chances in Iraq.
Hi Doug,
“Why would ANYONE want the US Government to have ANY say in your health care?”
Some might want the US government involved because they look around the world and see that all the countries most similar to ours have tried it and it works. First, it’s certainly cheaper, and health care costs are already around 10-15% GDP and rising non-linearly (think “exponential” but with a low co-efficient), so that’s a major win. You mentioned tort reform but last I checked liability insurance was far less than 0.01% of GDP, so the “let’s stick it to all the trial-lawyers” strategy might be good PR but it wouldn’t do anything to solve the underlying problem. And second, it’s a better system health-wise if you look at morbidity and mortality rates.
Yes, you’re right about how inefficient governments are, but then again we do rely on them for our defense rather than leaving it to individuals to buy protection in private markets, and that’s worked out pretty well so far.
Susan B.
Mary why not tell your daughters to keep their pants on? Oh yes, this would require you to actually take responsibility for raising your children and providing a good moral foundation. Just remembered, Hilary states it takes a village to raise a child, so I guess you will abandon, as so many parents do today their responsibility and hope the day-care or inept public school will provide this guidance. And if your daughters turn out rotten, then you know who to blame..it’s society’s fault, the government failed, etc, etc…
For all the hypocritical dems, why must a woman be granted the right to choose, yet you so vigorously refuse to allow school choice? Is our country about freedom or freedom as interpreted by the democrats?
Hi Jane,
“Travis: If you are correct that Clinton is a pathological liar, then won’t anything positive that she now will say about Obama also be a flat out lie? In that case shouldn’t Obama as her NOT to campaign for him? Shouldn’t he ask her to fold up her pup tent, and say absolutely nothing about him?”
I can’t speak for Travis, but when pathological liars go to McDonald’s and say “I’d like a Big Mac”, they’re usually telling the truth. Pathological liars tell the truth all the time. So if were true that Senator Clinton is a pathological liar, it wouldn’t follow that if she were to say something positive about Senator Obama that she’d be lying.
Moreover, if she did lie in saying positive things about Senator Obama, it wouldn’t hurt him politically. If she’s caught, the negative fallout will swirl into an orbit around her, not him. And caught or not, millions believe her no matter what she says, as we witnessed during the discussion of the role she played with respect to NAFTA.
So I don’t Travis is trapped if he’s claiming that Senator Clinton is a pathological liar who should support Senator Obama. He might be wrong about her being a pathological liar, I haven’t taken a stance on that issue one way or the other. But he wouldn’t be inconsistent in thinking she was and nonetheless thinking it would be best if she spoke favorably about Senator Obama.
Yes Hillary will come out and ask you all to support Barack Hussein Obama.
Even though she got shafted by the DNC them giving the michigan votes to Obama even when his name was not on the ballot.
She will do it WHY because she is gonna need their help to get elected Senator again in New York.
Its not about her undying love and respect for Obama, its about a selfish need of her own, she at this point could care less if the democratic party is united or not you didnt choose her as candidate but she will need their help.
Obama would have caved in and did the same thing, its about keeping all of us wonderfully deluded fools in the flock.
Hi Judy,
“Our family was strongly behind Hillary Clinton and most all our relatives and neighbors. NONE of us have any intention of supporting Obama. We have already switched over to John McCain. It is that simple. I think this is true of MOST of Hillary’s supporters.”
Usually families, relatives and neighbors are a mixed lot. Certain issues matter more to some than others and some of them disagree on a particular issue or three. Yet NONE of your family members, relatives or neighbors would vote for Senator Obama? That’s fascinating. Do you all have different reasons and it’s just a coincidence that in the end that you’ll all be voting for Senator McCain? Or are there one or more reasons you all have on common?
Susan B.
Susan B why not tell your daughters to keep their pants on?? Yes, that would mean taking responsibility for their upbringing besides just buying them clothes and feeding them. I know, Hillary says it takes a village to raise a child and therefore you will hope the day-care worker or inept public schools will provide them with a moral compass.
Question that has always puzzled me, is why should a woman have the right to kill her unborn child, for what is mostly selfish reasons or reasons of convenience but those same people are opposed to the death penalty? Or opposed to school choice? I guess the Democratic idea of freedom is not freedom for all, simply freedom for what is in-line with the Democrats agenda of social reform.
Hi Grandus,
“He [Senator Obama] says he is not muslim but he chose a church that in my opinion is Anti-American.”
Are you suggesting that anyone who attends a church you regard as “Anti-American” is therefore a muslim? Maybe you’re not, but it certainly looks that way, so I thought I’d ask and give you an opportunity to let us know if that’s not what you meant.
Incidentally, are you opposed to the very idea of a muslim being President? How about Catholics, Mormons, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc? Or for that matter, atheists?
Susan B.
Hi Tim,
Apparently we disagree about a women’s right to choose. But then I gather you’d vote for Senator McCain even if he were running against Senator Clinton in the fall?
I wouldn’t expect everyone to agree with me on a women’s right to choose, but many of Senator Clinton’s supporters do, and hence I directed my appeal towards them.
Susan B.
For all those who are enamored with the idea of Universal Health-care, be careful for what you wish. This notion that socialised medicine works and is better then the current system in the US is simply wrong.
I liveed many years in England and Canada and I can tell you most canadians and Brits would rather have our system. One myth is that it is less expensive which is total fabrication. There are no services free in this world, the difference is in how they are paid. Tax rates are enormous in western countries exceeding 70% of your income in some, which in turn stymies economic development and incentive. In addition in every one of these countries, after-market medical services have been created so that wealthy individuals can seek medical attention outside the socialised system. As a result many of the best and brightest physicians leave the social network to work in the after-market.
It is akin to our public school system which by all standards is in the lower tier of developed countries in terms of performance but a the top in terms of money spent per student. Many Americans have opted out [while still paying school taxes] and send their children to private/parochial schools. The bottom line is huge bureaucracy, namely public shcools and the Department of Education, that continue to eat up more taxpayer money while delivering poorer service.
Hi Jerry,
“None of these commentators have ever personally met President Bush, yet are so destructive in their analysis of him. ”
I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people to have strongly negative opinions about politicians they’ve never met. For example, I have a very strong negative opinion of President Ahmadinejad of Iran, although I’ve never met him. I’m not claiming President Bush is a bad President and certainly not claiming he’s anything like President Ahmadinejad. He isn’t. Not at all. Not one little bit. My point is only that you can’t dismiss criticism of President Bush or any other politician simply on the basis that the criticism is coming from people who haven’t met the person.
“It just goes to show the power of the biased press on uneducated or uninformed people.”
With all due to respect to Fox News, at the President Bush commanded our troops to invade Iraq, a large majority of their viewers believed incorrectly that the 911 hijackers were from Iraq. The same wasn’t true of people who got their news from other organizations. Some might think that shows the power Fox News has over uneducated or uninformed people. What do you make of it?
Susan B.
Susan you didn’t answer the questions posed.
“Question that has always puzzled me, is why should a woman have the right to kill her unborn child, for what is mostly selfish reasons or reasons of convenience but those same people are opposed to the death penalty? Or opposed to school choice? I guess the Democratic idea of freedom is not freedom for all, simply freedom for what is in-line with the Democrats agenda of social reform”
I feel abortion is justifiable for rape and/or incest, but to use it as a means of birth control is, in my opinion totally immoral. What surprises me so much is the hypocrisy of so many democrats..oppose war, animal rights, but gung ho when it comes to killing unborn children, because the person took no responsibility for their actions. I will never, ever see the logic in these hypocritical positions. By the way, I am not a Republican but an independent who has voted over the course of my life for democrats as well as republicans.
Hi “Florida Counts”
“The media needs to apply the same standard on [Senator Obama] as on Bush.”
I disagree. I think the media were far too deferential towards President Bush, especially during his first term in office. Then again, President Bush played hardball with access, which meant only deferential reporters and news organizations were given actual news to report. That’s why when Steven Colbert delivered the traditional roast at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner my favorite line was when he turned to President Bush to offer his services as White House Press Secretary, gesturing towards the audience of White House correspondents and saying that, like the President, he had nothing but contempt for these people. It was a close contest but that line narrowly bested his quip that, like President Bush, he believes the government which governs least governs best and by that standard the government of Iraq was an unqualified success.
But back to press coverage. I think we need to roll-back media consolidation and encourage a vigorous independent press. I’d like to see LESS coverage of the personal lives of politicians, and far MORE honest, informed and non-deferential coverage of issues and policies. Fox News does well by the third criteria, at least with respect to Democratic politicians, but not so well on the first two. NPR does well by the first two criteria, but not so well on the third. The BBC and CBC do a much better job on all three counts, and I think that’s the standard we should aim for.
By those lights I’d be disappointed if Senator Obama was held to the same standard applied to President Bush. I think they should both be held to a much higher standard. Of course YMMV and probably does.
Susan B.
If Gore would have won, how would post-9/11 have been any different? The only thing different would have been if we rolled over and conceded to the terrorists…
Gore would have gotten the same intelligence reports about Iraq that Bush got, would he have acted the same, maybe not, but that is so easy to say in hindsight.
If Gore or Kerry were president, China and India would still be sucking up more of the world’s supply of oil regardless who was in office helping drive up the prices.
I’m not saying Bush has been flawless, far from it, but at the same time, he’s just become the scapegoat of all the country’s problems, whether or not it would have been different under another administration. Congress has just as much to blame for the current state of the country as the rest of government, regardless of party affiliation.
Also, while it was a mistake to go into Iraq and we need to get out, we must do it properly so we don’t have a repeat of the mistakes of the withdrawal from Vietnam. Unfortunately, the Democrats pushing to drop and run so we can get out ASAP have already forgotten those lessons.
Bush was a newcomer to national politics when he became president. Obama isn’t any different in that respect. Personally, I don’t consider his brief tenure in the Senate providing any more experience than Bush’s 2 terms as governor.
I just hope voters make their decisions based on valid merits, not based on what color/sex someone is or isn’t or what party someone is in or not. Sadly, I don’t see this happening…
As a non American, I think Obama will be the next president, and I believe he will be just as embarrassing for the US as GWB, though probably less hated. His appeal is wholly on image, he simply cannot be taken seriously, I feel that white Americans are only interested in him to relieve their white guilt and non-white Americans are interested because of their minority ethnocentrism. However, he may very well be less of a burden on the world than McCain, who in no way is a ‘conservative’ but holds dangerous views in terms of foreign policy. So, the lesser of two evils is Obama, even though he will become a farcical character. Also, Obama’s chances will increase if Ron Paul runs independently, and catches the social conservative/libertarian/nationalist vote.
I am reading alot of comments about how Hillary supporters are not going to support Obama becuase Hillary didn’t win.
If this is the case, then you need to look at yourselves when you think people are sexist. Obama and Hillary are very close in views, to not vote for Obama now that Hillary lost, is just sexist. The only reason you were voting for her was because she was a woman, not because of her values. What is different between that and not voting for Hillary because she is a woman? Nothing, both of you are sexist.
Not happening with this Hillary supporter. I am about to turn Independent. Even if Hillary calls for us to unite the party, she is doing what she must. I, too, will do what I must – either vote Republican, or not vote at all.
Hi Tom, and apologies for previously referring to you as Tim.
“[B]e careful for what you wish [for].”
That’s excellent advice that’s all too often ignored, or at least far too often for my liking ignored by me.
“I can tell you most canadians and Brits would rather have our system [of health care].”
I haven’t heard that. In fact, I thought I’d heard reports of one or more studies finding the exact opposite, but perhaps I’m wrong about that. On the other hand, confirmation bias (the hard-wired human tendency to notice evidence which confirms one’s beliefs and fail to notice evidence against them) is hard to control for, so I’m not sure what weight to give your own impressions based on living in Canada and Britain for awhile. Or are you reporting on an actual study?
“One myth is that it is less expensive which is total fabrication. There are no services free in this world.”
You lost me there. How does the fact that nothing’s free demonstrate that it’s a myth that one thing is cheaper than another?
“Tax rates are enormous in western countries exceeding 70% of your income in some, which in turn stymies economic development and incentive.”
You’re right, of course, that truly universal health care is possibly only if it’s all paid for through tax revenues. But you’re mistaken in thinking that ANY country has an effective (versus marginal) tax rate of 70%, and moreover mistaken in thinking that Canada, in particular, has a marginal rate approaching anything like 70%.
Most importantly, you’re badly mistaken in thinking that the percentage of income subject to tax is the correct measure of the cost of universal health care. Tax rates are determined by a number of variables, for example the amount spent national defense, environmental policies, public assistance for the elderly (eg, Social Security), etc. AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL by the degree to which public expenditures are financed through taxation as to borrowing abroad–for example, the US Federal debt is currently the highest in the world, which means our tax rates are artificially low compared to other countries. For all of these reasons, it’s impossible to measure the cost of universal health care by comparing the tax tax rates of countries which provide it to countries which don’t, as I’m sure you’d agree.
Fortunately there’s an obvious and simple way to measure the cost of universal health care. One need only look at the budget to see how much it costs. And in doing that you’ll find that the cost Americans pay for health care FAR exceeds the cost of universal health care in both Canada and Great Britain, along with Germany which I hear has better system than those two.
Susan B.
Women who vote for McCain instead of Obama because Clinton lost are sexist. Discuss.
Republican or Democrat – If your vote is simply contingent upon the (R) or the (D) you are what you profess not to be – prejudiced. You have prejudged the candidate, not on his or her qualifications, but upon a stereotypical label. Please, do the country a favor and set aside your prejudice, look to the individual candidate and their records of achievement (or non-achievement if such be the case). Look to whom they have associated with and who they have een influenced by. Then make your choice. The American people cannot afford to be led as sheep by sound bites and biased reporting of the positions of candidates. Think, People, Think. If you can’t do this, then do the country a favor and stay away from the polls. An uninformed and thoughtless vote is a bullet in the heart of the nation.
i thought it was great watching hannity and oliver north call obama an empty suit last night .jerry springer said he does not want the rest of the world to hate us. and hannity said i don’t care about the rest of the world. such fine journalism. go fox go!
I’m switching from D to I and voting for McCain.
The way Dean, the DNC and the del’s and the sup-del’s and the media have deserted and treated Clinton—there is no way I would vote for Obama.
McCain is the more balanced candidate. America needs balance, and we need to drill for oil in Anwar. America needs to get back to its values of family (one man one woman) faith, freedom, and helping one another. McCain can help as President, but it is really up to all Americans to repent and love thy neighbor, and get to work !
Hi Matt,
Even if you think Fox News is biased towards Republicans or indeed that their bias rises to the level of mendacity, I’d encourage you not to dismiss Dr. Ablow’s column out of hand.
The idea that many of Senator Clinton’s supports were emotionally invested in her campaign to a news-worthy degree is neither far fetched nor condescending.
It’s harder to say whether it’s condescending to think Senator Clinton’s supporters need time to heal emotionally or psychologically to a news-worthy degree. However truth, or least a reasonable attempt to get at the truth, should count as a defense for Dr. Ablow, although not for Fox News if it printed his column with the intention of advancing a partisan political agenda without regard for the truth or reasonableness of its content.
On the other hand, I’ve seen similar stories in other news organizations that supported Senator Clinton to, what in my mind, was a fault. I have the New York Times in mind here.
So all told, I think the marginal harm of Fox News’ decision to publish Dr. Ablow’s article might be rather small, even if the degree to which it exhibits the worst of editorial values is rather large.
But on this one, I could see how reasonable people could disagree.
Best,
Susan B.
McCain is for finishing the war while Obama is for leaving and allowing millions of Iraqis who are finally finding their footing in Iraq to die.
The truth is the war has a better chance of ending under McCain than it does under Obama.
Obama will be so concerned with government spending and stupid government programs that he won’t do a single useful thing to help end the war. He’s like Lyndon Johnson, who yes did some good things (and no welfare isn’t a good thing) , but didn’t have his priorities straight.
“Lyndon Johnson, as he took over the presidency after the death of Kennedy, did not consider Vietnam a priority and was more concerned with his “Great Society” and progressive social programs” wikipedia.
LOL I love how everyone is comparing everyone to someone else etc. I do not like either of the candidates. I think both are true politicians and that is what the REAL problem is in Washington. If you do not have money there is now way you can be elected. Instead of professional polititcians we need someone who is blue collar, straightfoward and does not lie. Tell it like it is even if it sucks and you will get more respect than if you just tell voters what they want to hear. Take our gas price problem. There is enough oil in and around the US to grab that would put the Middle East back to living in mud shacks again. Heck, Cuba is drilling for oil 45 miles of fthe coast of Key West. Is anyone complaining about that? I am sure that if they do find oil and have a spill the UNited States will get blamed for it. But no one has the balls to go against the oil compaines, they have too much money invested in Washington.
It is time for the US to stop catering to everyone and start acting for ourselves and the heck with what the rest of the world thinks. The last time I checked we were the SuperPower, it is about time we start acting like it.
OBAMA, DID NOT WIN THE NOMINATION, THE NOMINATION WAS HANDED TO HIM, BY THESE SO-CALLED SUPERDELEGATES, THAT ONLY BACKED HIM BECAUSE OF THEIR HATRED, AND JEAOUSLY FOR THE CLINTONS, THEY ARE SO SO JEALOUS OF THE CLINTONS ACCOMPLISHMENTS, AND ENORMOUS POPULARITY, THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE A CHANCE ON A ONE TERM SENATOR WITH KNOW RECORD TO SPEAK OF, THEY SAY OBAMA, IS BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER, AND BRINGING ABOUT A CHANGE, WILL, SENATOR CLINTON IS ALSO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER, SHE LEADS IN THE POPULAR VOTE BY 200,000, AND HAS A RECORD BREAKING 18 MILLON VOTES! KNOW CANDIDATE HAS EVER ACHIEVED THIS. OBAMA, HAS A BIG PROBLEM, HE CAN’T WIN THE SWING STATES, HE CAN’T WIN WORKING CLASS WHITE VOTERS, AND HE WANT BE ABLE TO WIN OVER A MAJORITY OF SENATOR CLINTONS SUPPORTERS EITHER, SO SENATOR CLINTION IS IN THE DRIVERS SEAT, BECAUSE HE CAN’T WIN THE WHITEHOUSE WITHOUT HER. I AM FURIOUS WITH BLACKS, WHO HAD NEVER VOTED A DAY IN THEIR LIFES, UNTIL BARACK OBAMA? I AM BLACK 49 YEARS OLD, AND I HAVE BEEN VOTING SINCE I WAS 18 YEARS OLD, DO THIS PEOPLE, HAVE ANY IDEA, HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED, SO THAT WE AS BLACKS, COULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE? WHEN THIS CAMPAIGN FIRST BEGIN A YEAR AGO, OBAMA CONSISTENTLY ATTACKED THE CLINTONS, AND KNOW BODY SAID ANYTHING, BUT THE MINUTE THE CLINTONS START FIGHTING BACK, AND CRITICIZED OBAMA, THE MEDIA, AND MANY BLACKS START CALLING THE CLINTONS RACIST, THE CLINTONS HAVE WORKED WITH MANY BLACK LEADERS TO HELP THE BLACK COMMUNITY, AND SADLY, MANY OF THESE BLACK LEADERS SUPPORTED OBAMA, PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON, HAD MORE BLACKS IN HIS ADMINISTRATION, THAN ANY OTHER ADMINISTATION, THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS RECORD, SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. THERE IS KNOW DOUBT IN MY MIND, THAT SENATOR CLINTON LOVES THIS COUNTRY, AND WOULD PUT THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS COUNTRY FIRST, UNLIKE OBAMA, WHO IN THE PAST HAD REFUSED TO PLEGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, AND REFUSE TO WEAR THE FLAG PENDANT, UNTIL HIS PATROTISM WAS QUESTIONED, THEN HE HAD THE NERVE, TO CRITICIZE ANY ONE ELSE, WHO DID WEAR THE PENDANT. SENATOR OBAMA, IS NOT AFRICAN AMERICAN, HE IS A RICH BI-RACIAL, HAVARD GRADUATE, WHO GREW UP IN INDONESIA, AND MOST BLACKS WOULDN’T EVEN BE ABLE TO FIND INDONESIA ON THE MAP! I CAN TELL ALOT ABOUT OBAMA, BY THE COMPANY THAT HE KEEPS, AND HIS ASSOCIATES ARE VERY SCARY!!!
The transition for me is easy enough. Senator Obama is too extreme for me — his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act is one example of his extremism. He also has a lot of very unusual “friends” — the terrorist William Ayers and racist ministers like Wright, Phleger and Meeks. I’ll be voting for either Senator McCain or a third party candidate. While Hillary was closest to my ideas, McCain is closer to them than Obama is. This is not difficult for me at all.
What experience does he have? The Democratic Party seems to have gone mad. I can’t vote for any candidate just because he’s the nominee. Some things are more important than party loyalty. I’m feeling now like Senator Lieberman who said that he didn’t leave the Democratic Party, it left him.
I don’t exactly agree, and although presently some appear to be in a state of shock with Hillary’s loss, outside of Arizona, there is little (if any) love for the maverick John McCain. Actually in Arizona, it is the older sixty plus Arizonians that vote for McCain, not so much the younger generation. Also, McCain has considerable fence mending, and his plan for continuing the occupation in Iraq will not provide him votes. I resided in Arizona for a number of years, and have never voted for McCain. Actually I nearly loath the man. Big talk, little do, is McCain and there is many of us tht do not trust him. He has sat on his laurels for too many years and voted “no” on too many bills that would be a benefit. Also, I don’t believe Barack Obama will be so light on McCain as he has been with Hillary Clinton. The majority of all voters do not cross the line and vote for the opposition, regardless if it was the Devil himself seeking election. Its just not the mental makeup of the majority of voters, regardless party affiliations. Last, but certainly not least, Hillary Clinton was her own worst enemy, she could not see the majority of all democrats desire “change” and not the same old song in Washington D.C. With Obama, he will do all within his powers as president to bring about that change. Will Hillary Clinton, there would be no change, and that is the one main reasons she has lost.
`McCain is, simply put, hard to hate.’ That statement is hard to prove or disprove however the evidence cited by the author such as `…would not question his patriotism or bravery or character or commitment ‘ is at best inconlcusive. When have american people cared about patriotism or the lack of it thereof? Let us not forget that John Kerry was a decorated war veteran and George Bush dodged the draft and yet the public voted the latter to the White House for the SECOND time! Isn’t it ironic that a man who has never been to war and whose close family members as far as I know have never died in a war has put thousands in the face of mortal danger just to please his and some other peoples’ ego? John Mcain in my opinion is too much George Bush. Why not vote for a change? What is there to loose this time? It can not possibly get any worse than this current apathetic situation! Obama is young and vibrant and at least has the courage to say and do things that sets him apart (recall he voted against Iraq war and Hillary voted in favour) even if it may be unconventional for that time or may seem `not macho ‘ enough for some gun wielding, right wing dialogue spouting establishment figures..
I am not an US citizen, but my concern with US government policies is much more grave than that of the government in my own country. Like it or no , most countries look towards US for direction; not because they want to but because they have to given the enormous finacial and political clout it enjoys globally. A bad leader directly translates in to the possibility of having our countries bombed flat and thousands left to die during the invasion or in the civil war that is bound to follow after. I honestly pray and hope that American public make the right choice this time not just for them but for everybody else who is at at stake and in this case it is EVERYBODY.
Dr. Ablow —
You don’t understand the reasons for the deep support 18,000,000 men and women gave Hillary Clinton any more than you understand why many of us will never vote for Barack Obama. Your disgusting characterization of Senator Clinton’s unconscious thoughts are so off base and incendiary that I wonder where you trained.
Senator Obama is an unqualified, arrogant, dissembling man. He trashes the name of good democrats while praising Reaganomics. He has a painfully this resume only counterbalanced by 20 years worth of questionable, racist and crooked associations. He throws anyone and everyone under the bus who is so audacious so as not to vote for “the one.”
Do not preach to us about what we “have” to do. There are only two sure things in life. Death and taxes. Oh. And one more thing is fairly sure. Obama will implode well before November.
Comment by gryphonxxii
June 6th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Anyone who would vote for McCain, just because Hillary lost, don’t let the door hit you. The Democrats nether want nor care a shit about voters like yourself.
That’s just one reason I will vote for anyone other than Obama, regardless of who is on his ticket. I am fed up with the crude, immature, filthy mouthed, adolescent, narrow minded, uninformed band of supporters he claims that have swallowed the party line, hook, line, and sinker. They have invited us out of the party so many times, we have taken them up on it, for many reasons. You may not need us anyway for a victory. I believe your campaign and the new Democratic Party has mastered the art of dirty campaigns and elections, taking it to a higher level than even the Republicans. Either your college education did not “take” or you are in a state of arrested psychosocial development.
If the esteemed doctor would conduct a study on the dynamics of this campaign of Hope fueled by Hate, I think that may be a little more enlightening than analyzing why we are so angered and in grief over the universal slander and slurs and sexism of the ugliest kind since the 1970s. Losing an election is one thing. Witnessing and being the subject of the potty mouths and sexual insecurities of the mass media and the little bloggers is still another.
You gotta love the feminists. Crying about how Hillary lost because of sexism. Hello, anyone home? You feminists aren’t too bright are you. Lets add the numbers, and I’ll type real slow. If every woman in America voted for Hillary (their sworn duty simply because they’re female) and the usual number of men did too, she would have won by a monumental landslide. That goes for every election where there’s a female running. Seems to me your problem lays with those pesky woman who don’t vote like they’re supposed to. Hmmm, millions of rogue woman who won’t conform to their sworn duty as a female. Or, wait, I just had a thought, could it actually be people vote for the candidate…naw…my bad. Sexism, yeah that’s it. Anyone got any peanut butter, I’m out.
Right On, Ladiesfirst! Me, too!
Obama supporters are so delusional.
Do they really think that the people who support other candidates are racist? That is delusion number one. Guess who gave you that idea?
Do you really think that Obama’s “bad friends” are just relatives that he never got to know over 20 years? Delusion number two.
Do you really think that because Obama speaks and then cannot cover any good reasons for anything he has done or plans he will do, mean anything?
Delusion number three is the most important. He speaks but has no record other than gaining favor and advantages from super left wing supporters who see him as a Trojan Horse for their ideals.
Sorry, I want a candidate that I know, and who knows himself rather than having to explain himself every other month because it takes him that long to figure out a reply to questions about his friends.
And I want someone who can tell me that they have known who Bill Ayers is without pretending that his is an “English teacher”. That was an out right lie.
A presidential hopeful should have a wife who is hopeful rather than a tired woman who can’t recall ever being proud to be an American.
Never, ever, would I vote for Obama.
I am a professional, with a Master’s Degree, and not someone who votes for a person because they make a good speech.
If they cannot back it up, it has no worth at all. I’ve seen Obama’s back up and it is great if I wanted to live in a socialist country with people setting bombs to make statements that would change the way we live according to what the bombers demand, while the President Obama, backs up their right to do so.
It would be nice to have a civilized nation where people agree on what is right. Obama cannot do that.
I’ll be voting for McCain.
Hillary do not run with Obama. He’s poison.
Well heyrey, I can direct you to about thirty sites and you can laugh your a** off. We are real and there are tens of thousands of us. And dear Doctor: We’re rejecting Obama and everything he stands for, and I don’t mean the issues he never bothered to study up on. The Democratic party as it is now, has lost us. We don’t need time to grieve, we won’t heal with time. No, this is a calculated, stone cold sober response to an unacceptable situation. We’ve known for months the fix was in for a vastly inferior candidate. Every time we turned on the television or read an article the propaganda was so thick you could walk on it. We’re old enough to know that everything balances out sooner or later and if it’s later, that’s fine with us. We will never vote for Barack Obama. Never.
America is ready for black president, and is not ready for a woman president. Media and every one of them has been cheap shotting hillary since day one. I will go vote for Mclain just to againt this stupid party leaders without back bones, they just wanted to have power and money. Do they ever care about Americans? No.
GRANDUS,why must you believe in the wild wide web, anyone who believes everything on the net is in for the shock of his life. Obama has astonished the world. jelousy to this is expected but its being over done. Its not hillary anymore, and i think i can live with it.
I’ve been an avid Hillary supporter. In fact my whole family voted for her in the primary. After 37 years in the Democratic Party, I just re-registered as an Independent. Barack Obama will never get my vote. After the RBC meeting on May 31, I decided I couldn’t remain in a party that condoned what I saw happen at that meeting.
I don’t think the Demoocratic has a clue to what is going to happen now. They assume that because Hilliary is out of the race we will fall in behind Obama. Wrong.
Just as I told the lady from the Democratic Party last evening who called me for a donation to the senate race. No delegate who gives their vote to Obama will get mine.
this is not sour grapes, this is fear talking. Obama scares me to death. guess that means me and many of my friends will be chosing the devil we know (McCain) instead of the devil we fear.
Out of the two, McCain is the better candidate. I totally agreed with the remarks hilliary clinton made awhile back “whoever we elect to President has to be ready on day one”. The dangerous time we are living in, there’s no time for on the job training. There is no time for voting for someone based on race or gender, the President of the United States must be ready on day one to face tough issues. High class rhectoric is not the answer in becoming President. I know quite a few people that speak with great eloquence of words, o boy, yes indeed. The old cliche that says ” talk is cheap” in this case, talk is real cheap, my dear, it’s free. Somebody suggested to me that folks who votes for obama is only voting for him because of his stupidity. The more I think about it, the more I agree. A stupid person is a dumb person, they’ll go along with anything you say, why, because they are stupid. Stupid people of politics have no foundation to stand on, no concrete platform to stand on, no principles, no nothing. It’s like, whatever comes up at the moment, just go with the flow. The President of the United States should not include stupid people, not now, not ever. Senator McCain 2008.
If Hillary supporters who say they are switching to McSame looked into their hearts they would realize they are acting childish, like someone who didn’t get their way and are pulling a “see what you made me do.” I know they are very angry to see their candidate lose. Many have dreamed much of their adult lives of a Clinton presidency and to see it dissappear must be a bitter pill. But over time, only the most infantile will shoot themselves and their country in the foot by voting McCain
It’s not about Black & White its about the Red, White & Blue.
I’m a Hillary supporter and I’m sorry she didn’t make it. It’s not the media and it’s not Obama’s fault. She made some strategic errors in her campaign. I think she has great ideas and would have made a good president, but there were several major issues: Her support for Iraq, a few really bad errors in public comments (bullets in Bosnia? Assassinations in June?) and Bill acted like an ass from time to time.
Yes, there were some sexist comments to come out of the campaign; I never liked calling her “Hillary” and him “Obama” or the other hims all by their last names. But SHE calls herself Hillary, instead of “Clinton.” There were lots of other sexist comments, there are racist comments about Obama, and ageist comments about McCain. None of this is something to be proud of, nor is it a conspiracy. It’s the way we humans deal with differences.
I will cast my vote to elect Sen Obama. I would have preferred HRC for many reasons, but I believe Sen Obama will offer leadership that will try to lead the country back into better times. More than anything, I feel that he will bring a brighter day and change to the country, and we sorely need it. The last thing we need is four more years of wrong headed support for this illegal war and the terrible policies of the past eight years. McCain is certain to continue the destructiveness; Obama will at least seek to put it to an end. McCain can’t even get his facts straight. He sounds like he’s nearly as stupid as Bush.
Barack Obama’s our only hope for now.
This was NEVER about Clinton. It has ALWAYS been about Obama. QUIT BLAMING CLINTON! She wa always the better candidate and everybody knew it!
We do NOT like OBAMA. He has NO experience and the only extended experience he does have is following a racist and Anti-American “mentor” for 20 YEARS! This is not Democrat or “AMERICAN” Presidential material. And it is HIGH TIME that the other 50% of Democrats, the DNC and the MEDIA quit blaming Clinton and her supporters for the shortcomings and racist 20 year viewpoints of Obama. He has done NOTHING for this country! NOT ONE SINGLE THING!
The Dems KNEW this Wright following was a problem and IGNORED IT! This is OBAMA’S PROBLEM. And it is NOT going away. The Supers/Dems made a choice and now they MUST live with it instead of using Hillary as their scape goat! OBAMA HAS A REAL PROBLEM WITH MIDDLE CLASS WHITE VOTERS AND IT IS HIS OWN FAULT! AGAIN, IT IS HIS OWN FAULT! And his OWN words in his OWN books only reinforce this anti-american viewpoint! NO OBAMA. We want a President AND First lady that is PROUD OF THEIR COUNTRY EVERYDAY AND HAVE ACTIONS OVER THE PAST YEARS THAT BACK IT UP! Not a bunch of fraud and flag pens for a few months. NO OBAMA!
When did so many Americans become such freaks? The wisest comment on here–and most well-written (no surprise there)–is from 60-year-old Jerry. You easily influenced (by the media) weirdos have been brainwashed. Get an education. Wake up to human nature (of our enemies). Bill Clinton was a farce for this country, and Obama would be even worse. I’m voting for “McBush!” Go McBush! I LOVE Georgie–for making this country safe from terrorists, for making vicious war against our enemies abroad, for heroicly stimutlating the economy (having to re-build it after Clinton tore it down), and mostly for sticking to his guns in the face of daily, ungrateful, uneducated, ill-informed media and “proletariate” (which all of you will be called in the new, Communist Obama Hussein regime). I’m old school–I go by evidence, basic knowledge of history, and logic (linear, sequential thinking, for those Dem-wits who never figured it out). I don’t really understand why you have these “feeeeeeelings,” but if you don’t start using your heads to guide your hearts, if you continue down this path to the left, America will lose its influence, greatness, and possibly its freedom. McBush in 08!
Dear Keith Ablow, I don’t think you listened to these people, you cannot apply a theory about overcoming disappointment. You don’t seem to understand what’s really going on. It goes far beyond the 2 candidates, we are not talking about disappointment, but basic values, basic rights and a selection instead of nomination. (i.e. a rigged nomination and all its implications for the future)
Oh I just love the comments. McCain has a temper? How about hillary’s “flying ashtrays”?
Susan B. I would simply ask why your daughters NEEDED an abortion? Couldn’t take the usual precautions? Girls just want to have FUN? or is it “I thought he loved me”"
Hillary is a pathological liar? How about Obama saying he visited 57 states, or saying his “HONKY” grand father liberated a concentration camp that was actualy liberated by the Russians? Selma got him born? Sorry, that was years before he was concieved.
J lawler; childishl? What if hillary had won the nomination instead? Would you call obama supporters who said they wouln’t vote for her also childish?
Sushmita, John kerry a “decorated war hero? Thet is not the opinion of the men who seved with him on the SAME river at the SAME time in the SAME boats. If you want to class his “purple owies” as war wounds you are naive. His silver star was the result of an after action report that HE wrote, taking all the credit for the actions of others.
Now you obviously know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the F102 aircraft that BUSH flew, which had a nasty reputation for killing it’s pilots. According to your thoughts we should have sent “all them draft dodgers in the Guard to Veet Nam” (Lyndon Johnson pronunciation) cause we got nukes and we didn’t need them here. In short, like Dan Rather, you are willing to believe any lie, “because it ought to be true”
Oh by the way, one of your other heros, Chucky Schumer, spent those years as a lawyer for the ACLU. why didn’t he go to Vietnam?????
Look at what this political campaign has turned us all into! I should be ashamed to call myself an American when we cant even talk to each other civily. Now days when someone expresses their political beliefs they can be ridiculed and hated for having a different opinion than you or I. I am not sure when we stopped being Americans and became thristy blood sucker that are only looking to “screw” the other guy. I think this is a huge issue in America. Seems to me and I am sure many others that we are no longer America the United. Are our ego’s and reputation is all we have these days? I think not. It is essential to America for us to take a step back from the hatred and love thy neighbor like he loves himself. What is so wrong with that?
This is not about time and mourning. This is about something else.
This is about realizing that for many years, decades even, you supported a party that promised equality, but never really even knew what that meant, at least in terms of women, at least not in recent years.
The Democratic party needed women’s votes, but never had any intention of treating them as equals or as full participants.
Obama needs the women now, but e never treated them with respect or as equals during his campaign.
The final straw was Father Pfleger – his spirutual advisor.
I am still in shock over that vicious ma’s attack on Hillary Clinton and the cheering crowds behind him.
The treatment of Clinton – and through her of all women – in this primary revealed misogyny that is so deeply embedded in the Democratic party (not to mention the media) that it was almost invisible.
Our eyes were finally opened. We will not come back.
You would have to be craay to vote for a party that actively discrimsinate against you.
This IS THE THIRD TIME I HAVE SENT MY COMMENTS AND THEY HAVE NOT SHOWN UP. THIS IS MY LAST TRY.The BIBLE tells us to honor our leader. But many have never shown any respect to our president the man I believe GOD gave to us. If Obama is elected it will be because It’s what we deserve. What do we deserve after we took GOD out of our schools and now HE’S being taken out of some churches.shame on us all.Iwill never sit one minute in a church that teaches hate .GOD’s comandment is to love one another. Some of the most evil sins that GOD forbids us to do .Are the very things that liberials are pushing into law and we that don’t like it are forsed to obide by it. GOD has destroyed cities and whole countries because of sin and disobedience He can do it again .My prayer for our country is please LORD give us another chance and give us what we need to bring us back to the people we were ment to be. If just one person will listen to what I’m trying to say it will beworth all the effort and prayers i’ve put in to it .
there is NO WAY I will ever vote for obama. I don’t agree with mccain, but I will probably vote for him anyway. I don’t trust obama and his wife is a snob who only likes America because her husband was running for pres. what else will fall out of their closets. I can only hope it will be something really big so the American people who voted for this phoney will really see what he is. he is NOT experienced enough.
WELL, IF ANYONE CAN READ IN ENGLISH !!! READ THIS . WHEN OUR CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN, THE PEOPLE THAT SIGNED THE CONSTITUTOIN ALSO STATED (DO NOT LET LAWYERS
RUN YOUR COUNTRY) IN THE PAST 50 OR MORE YEARS THE ELECTED PRESIDENTS THAT WERE LAWYERS WERE DEMOCRATS AND ALSO IS WHEN THE U.S. HAD THE WORST ECONOMIC
DISASTERS IN HISTORY. TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF CONGRESS, AGAIN (LAWYERS) (DEMOCRATS)
ARE YOU SO BLIND THAT YOU CAN’T SEE WHY OUR COUNTRY HAS GONE TO CRAP??? YES
WE NEED A CHANGE, CONGRESS GETS ONLY 8 YEARS IN ANY OFFICE LIKE THE PRESIDENT
AND THEN GO AND GET A JOB AND PAY TAXES AND BUY YOUR OWN HEALTH INSURANCE JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENS. ALSO ENFORCE ALL THE LAWS OF THE LAND AND NOT KEEP MAKING MORE LAWS FOR THE MAGET LAWYERS. ALL ILLEGALS OUT AND COME BACK LEGAL WITH NO CRIMINAL RECORD OR WE WILL ENFORCE THE LAWS …………
THANKS PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN
What a great speech Hillaty gave. I did vote for her in florida eventhough our votes will be counted as a half vote. I have been a Reagan Democrat for years. Yes i am African American. While it is great to see Obama make history. I will not be voting for him. I will be voting for McCain.It seems that the democratic party with howard dean and nancy pelosi do not get it. They forgot the from 1992 thru 2000. Bill Clinton has been one of our greatest president, In november we will see again why republicans win races. no new taxes !!!!!
Patrick – Let me get this straight: GOP majority, their fault for low Congressional ratings. I’ll buy that. Dem majority, still the GOPs fault for low ratings, because they thwart Dem actions?? This must mean that you think the GOP wields tremendous power. Why weren’t the Dems able to block legislation when they were the minority?? If they are that weak and ineffective, that even with a majority, those nasty Republicans still beat them, why would we vote for them at all? It would seem to me with two years of majority under their belt, Democrats would have found a way to advance their agenda. I think your statement that the GOP is still to blame is merely a refusal to accept the fact that Democrats are in fact responsible for a good chunk of the current Congressional low ratings.
Some one has said: “I like what Obama is saying and how he is saying it; but I would sleep better at night knowing that McCain is President of the United States.”
We Americans feel so blindsided by politics that we do not know who or what to believe anymore. We hear the rehtoric from all sides. The devisiveness that was displayed on the Democratic party side should give a clear indication as to the extent of how diryt politics can get. Republicans threw very little mud and those that lost graciously bowed out. No name calling, no “racist statement”, or even anything along the gratuitous personal attacks that were leant during the Democratic campaign. As a Veteran of over 20 years service to this country, it is sad that we would vote for a person, and I mean Obama, that neither has any military experience, foriegn policy experience, nor the fortitude to accept the reality of this world. So supporters can you honestly and without trepidation, tell anyone what accomplishments either Obama or Clinton have for this country? No you can’t. Albiet he may not be a “professed muslim”. The fact that he attended a madrassa should give ALL non-muslim Americans a reason for pause. This is fact not something that a “Republican” made up. Check your facts people and then blame yourselves for not educating yourselves as to the minimal choices we have. McCain has been around longer and more visible than Obama. As to Clinton, he experience? What, her husband was a sore embarrassment for this country and even the Democrats did not want another Clinton back in the Whitehouse. Ask Peolsi, Dean, Durbin and the rest of the “gang”. They wanted neither, but now they are stuck with Obama to support or let wither on the vine of inexperience. I am sure thos that have his back would jump to the front, but those that know him well, are the same ones that are showing his true colors and they are not pretty! Once a socialist always a socialist. Elite is not the word for him, it should bew referred to “comrade” more often than not. McCain earned his way into American politics and gave more than Clinton or Obama would even dare to give. They are the elitists. McCain is not prefect, but he is honest. He did not fire people that he had not authority too either. Nor did he have a preacher that espoused hatred. American regardless of your politics, please check your facts and decide for yourselves and not do it blind!
God Bless America
I love Hillary. I voted for her in the primary. My next vote goes to Obama. I would never in a million years vote for McBush.
McBush wants us to stay in Iraq for a century – or is it until 2013? He made both statements.
McBush mistakenly thought that Iran was training “Al Qaeda in Iraq.” However, Iran is Shi’ite, and Al Qaeda is Sunni. Luckily, a whisper in his ear made him issue a correction.
McBush refused to support the 21st Century G.I. Bill this year. He opposed the Post-9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Act of 2008. Last year, he voted against requiring minimum periods between deployments.
McBush wants to “bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.” Death and destruction aren’t cute or funny.
McBush used to believe that waterboarding is torture. Then he decided that it isn’t, and, this year, he voted against a bill that would have prevented the CIA from waterboarding prisoners.
McBush opposes a ban on assault rifles.
McBush used to support deficit reduction and oppose tax cuts. Now he supports tax cuts, especially for oil companies.
McBush opposed the farm bill that would help farmers comply with state and federal environmental laws, boost federal research on the fruits and vegetables the region relies on, open new markets for the region’s products, and increase the amount of fruits and vegetables in school lunches.
McBush opposed expanding the children’s health insurance program.
McBush opposes publicly-funded health care, universal health care, and health coverage mandates. Somehow, he believes that competition between health insurance companies will bring prices down.
McBush supports teaching “intelligent design” in public school classrooms. Apparently, he isn’t any fonder of science than George W. is.
McBush took a long, long time to “unaccept” the endorsements of John Hagee and Rod Parsley.
McBush chairs the Senate committee that oversees the telecommunications industry. Interestingly, his lead strategist, Charlie Black, lobbies on behalf of telecommunications companies. McBush is still in the pocket of lobbyists.
McBush is anti-choice. He said last year that he wants Roe v. Wade overturned. As president (Lord, spare us), he will most likely be in a position to appoint one, two, or more Supreme Court justices who could overturn Roe v. Wade.
McBush opposes funding for family planning programs. He voted against requiring insurance coverage of birth control. He didn’t support legislation that would help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and the need for abortion.
McBush opposes a federal minimum wage.
Don’t vote for McBush!
I’ve finished reading all the comments and my eyes are really tired. Just have top come in with my “two cents”. Obama scares the hell out of me and Hillary is a liar. God help our contry. Actually I feel very sorry for you young people – You will never know the good America…. we were united, we didn’t have the filth on television or movies to deal with – we were in charge of our own lives, no government interference – we paid for our health care and not others (medicaid) citizens actually took care of themselves and didn’t rely on government. Well along came the great sdociety and se where that go us. Big government brings big taxes, govenment in your everyday life, telling what you can do and must do – all that political correctness crap, yegads, I’ve had it up to here with th BS. Amd then up pops a muslim who wants to be the president because he said we need changes, you bet we need change, but not his kind. America, wake up. Were going down the sewer faster than you think.
I am a republican and typically vote in the middle and would have voted for Clinton because she is a woman and so am I. I may not agree with all of her or the D party line beliefs but I do believe she would have accomplished things that are worthwhile to society. She had a lot of real solutions to real problems. At least McCain has valid and workable ideas……if anyone ever bothers to read where each candidate stands on the issues………..the writing on the wall is as plain as my nose. Obama spouts nonsense without actually coming up with a plan. And most of his thought out plans aren’t realistic. He, like every elected official, is going to get caught up in our bureaucratic democracy. Clinton and McCain have similar plans that sound reasonable and could possibly get passed as law. What the heck is Obama going to do? Seriously? How is he going to formulate change? Sure…..I can talk all day about how to change something. Actually doing it is a whole lot harder. How many of you would love to be able to purchase your own healthcare with a $5000 tax rebate (similar to the EIC or child tax credit)? I pay $13k out of pocket through my husband’s employer right now. We could find a great health plan for $5000 but because tax law allows us to deduct the entire $13k but not the $5k, doing so would be disastrous. I could use that extra $8000 every year.
FYI – Fox news was the ONLY news agency that reported Hillary in a positive light. When everyone else was condemning her for continuing to run Fox was asking why people wanted her to quit when they were 52% to 48%.
“Voting for McBush instead of Obama because you hold a grudge is idiotic. Clinton is a pathological liar.”
What a great way to win over the 18,000,000 who voted for Clinton (which is more than voted for obama) to obama’s side.
I just finished reading the comments here and I am amazed that some of the posters here have the intelligence to get in out of the rain On the other hand, some are in my opinion welll thought out logical arguments.
When did we start voting with our emotions, gender or race and stop using our heads. Logic and the ability to apply adult level discernment; thats whats missing from the arguments on the liberal side. Instead you get hyperbole, name calling and half witted thought processes that stem from a fundamental lack of understanding of law or global strategic power balance based on natural resources. Study your history people and the role natural resources, especially oil, have played in shaping the current world. When you get educated and experience, come back and lets have a debate based on facts. For example:
1. “illegal war” – read the law.
2. “Bush vetoes GI Bill” – read why; it was the pork barrel earmarks attached to it.
Those are just two examples.
I GOT HURT IN JANUARY AND WAS HOME HEALING MY KNEE. I WATCHED THE SHOWS(FOX,MSNBC,RACE TO THE WHITE HOUSE.COUNTDOWN ETC NIGHT AFTER NIGHT AFTER NIGHT THE NEGATIVE JOURNALIST NEVER QUIT ON HILLARY,OBAMA COULD NEVER DO WRONG. SHE WAS UNFAIRLY TREATED AND IN MY OPINION HOWARD DEAN AND THE DNC AND THE SUPERDELEGATES CHOSE WHO THE NOMINEE WOULD BE. THESE PEOPLE WERE FAR WORST THAN KATHY HARRIS AND JEB BUSH. I ASK WHY WOULD THEY WANT SOMEONE WITH NO EXPERIENCE OR REAL PLAN INSTEAD OF A VERY FORMIDABLE CANDIDATE WITH 40 YEARS EXPERIENCE. WE SEEN THE ONCE CLOSE FRIENDS OF THE CLINTONS BACKSTAB AND TURN AGAINST THEM,LIKE GOV. RICHARDSON WHO INVITED HIS FAT ASS TO WATCH FOOTBALL WITH BILL AND THEN HE ENDORSES OBAMA AND TELLS THE CLINTONS TO”GET OVER IT” DICK MORRIS, REMEMBER HIM? HE GOT OUT SMARTED BY A HOOKER IN A HOTEL ROOM WHERE SHE SET UP A CAMERA AND HE HAD TO RESIGN FROM HIS POSITION. HE WAS ONCE A CLINTON FRIEND, NOW HE’S A FAT DISGUSTING COLUMNIST WHO DOGGED HILLARY EVERY NIGHT. HILLARY STAYED UNTIL THE END. THERE WAS NO CLIMAX TO HIS GETTING THE NOM. AFTER SHE BEAT HIM IN PEURTO RICO AND WAS SUPPOSED TO LOSE SOUTH DAKOTA. THOSE SUPERDELEGATES KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA AT THAT BOGUS DNC MEETING TO PUNISH FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN; BUT IN THE LONG RUN WE WILL PUNISH HOWARD DEAN AND THE CROOKS AND LIARS OF THE DEM. PARTY. WE DID NOT GET THE CHANCE TO CHOOSE OUR NOMINEE,THE SUPERDELEGATES DID IT FOR US. OBAMA WILL LOSE IN NOVEMBER, I KNOW THOUSANDS HAVE SWITCHED TO JOHN MCCAIN AND HILLARY WAS CLEVER TO GIVE JOHN A 4 DAY WINDOW AND SENATOR JOE LIEBERMANN CAME OUT QUICKLY SEIZING THE MOMENT LAST WENESDAY WITH A PAGE MOSTLY FOR HILLARY SUPPORTERS AND JOHN’S CAMP HAS BEEN GETTING SWAMPPED WITH CALLS AND THOUSANDS OF HILLARY SUPPORTERS SWITCHING TO VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN. I’M ONE OF THEM. I’LL DO WHAT I DID FOR HILLARY,DONATE MAKE CALLS TO SEE THAT JOHN IS ELECTED THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. WE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT UP WITH HOWARD DEAN, JEALOUS CLINTON HATERS, NANCY PELUSIO. MCCAIN WILL WIN WITH HILLARY’S CORE SUPPORTERS. NO ONE WANTS AN INEXPERIENCED RADICDAL NON TRUSTWORTHY (REV.WRIGHT,RIKER) NOBODY LIKE BARRACK OBAMA. MAYBE HE HAS SOME MUSLIM IN HIM. I PRAY TO JESUS EVERY NIGHT TO, SO WHAT. TAHT TRINITY CHURCH THAT HE SUPPORTED FOR 20 YEARS, OBAMA KNEW WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT. DON’T LET HIM KID YOU. THE SAME WAY HE WAS OVER HEARD SAYING P.A. PEOPLE CLING TO GUNS AND RELIGION . HE’S WEIRD. I’M SUPPORTING THE NEXT BEST AFTER HILLARY AND THAT’S JOHN MCCAIN A WAR HERO. AN AMERICAN WAR HERO AND HE WILL DEAL WITH THE WAR,THE ECONOMY ETC. JOHN MCCAIN IS NO SLOUCH.
I’m Voting for JOHBN MCCAIN! NO OBAMA<JUST CAN”T DO IT!