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Octomom vs. Economic Crisis: What’s Really Important?

dr_manny_blog2These are interesting times we’re in ― to say the least. Over the past couple of weeks, we have all been concentrating on “Octomom” from California, and with new developments in the story everyday, it’s easy to see why she’s been the topic of conversation. I was following the story too, calling for an ethical investigation of the fertility clinic from day one, but with the state of our economy and the country experiencing what could be one of the most pivotal moments in American history, I want to move past that story.

I think it’s time the media starts concentrating on the changes that the Obama administration will be proposing in the future and some of the ideas that have already been approved.

Now, let’s look at the facts … The American health care system needs help! Why? Well, because it is filled with inefficiencies and overpriced operational costs.

How did it get like that? Well, it’s possible the American health care system has seen a lot of the same issues as our financial sector ― which we all know by now is quite a mess. Our financial experts have given us many explanations for the current economic crisis: Many blame the banks for recklessly handing out loans and credit, some blame the public for borrowing more money than they could ever repay, then there’s all the greedy Wall Street executives making profits off back of funds that don’t even exist, and who can forget those elaborate Ponzi schemes that went unnoticed by federal agencies for years.

Well, believe it or not, we have a lot of the same things happening in health care. We have some patients that demand every test in the book on the basis of what they’ve read or seen on television, hospitals that have been enamored with demands because of technological advances and profit margins, and doctors that have concentrated on sub-specialty service, rather than primary care and prevention.

So now, we are all looking to President Obama’s stimulus bill to see how he will resolve these problems. Some of his proposed ideas are very interesting. Electronic medical records, for instance, provide us with computerized data entry on patients, a way to track symptoms, disease processes, a way to dramatically decrease the overutilization of certain tests, minimize medical mistakes both by physicians and hospitals. And down the road, it might even decrease costs.

But many critics worry about privacy issues. I totally agree that patient confidentiality should always be protected. I remember when the new HIPPA laws came into effect under President Clinton, I could not even discuss a patient’s medical condition or get a second opinion from a colleague without getting a written consent from the patient.

But I think that before we start throwing good money in to solve the problems bad money got us into, the way previous financial stimulus plans have, we need to really understand how our current health care system is working, and address the issues that got us here in the first place.

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41 Responses to “Octomom vs. Economic Crisis: What’s Really Important?”

Comment by Ann

I have no problem with her having 14 children via IVF, as long as the doctor is making the support payments. He got her pregnant.

 
Comment by Koballt10

While I believe that Dr. Alvarez is correct in regards to the mother (on food stamps AND invitro? Good grief!), I must disagree with him about the med field. This is a capitalistic society. Doctors can ask for whatever they want feewise. This is just the way America works. The crisis America is entering now (I don’t think we are currently in one, but as soon as the big spending from DC begins, the ship will sink) is more important than the confused woman, I agree, but come on.
In regards to the mom, I think the children should be removed and placed in foster care. Nobody can take care of that many people on the single mom’s “income”. Help the mother out – remove the kids.

 
Comment by joefromhell

BRAVO!!! ANN BRAVO!!!!!!!

 
Comment by Papia

It is outrageous that these people with dozens of children force others to pay for their children. 50% of my property tax goes towards the school system where as I never had a child. I have to work full one month for free to support these irresponsible people’s children. Why should I do that? I can take home only 11 months salary and my 12th month’s salary goes entirely towards these foster-children that I don’t want.

I have to keep paying that $3000 that goes just to the school system through tax even if I lose my job and can’t pay for my own food. If I can’t pay for those irresponsible people’s children’s through tax I will lose my house! This is inhuman and gross injustice to everybody else. These people are the cruelest and most selfish of all. They don’t think about others. They think only about their pleasure. Can somebody tell me why are we punished to slavery for the irresponsible behavior of people like this Suleiman woman? I don’t want to pay for her pleasure. Government, please don’t force me to slave for one full month without any pay.

I have absolutely no problem in paying for those parents (children) who have two kids, through taxes.

 
Comment by high evil

nadya suleman is now a prostitute getting almost 800.00$ a day.i kid you not……

 
Comment by Robert

I would prefer the doctor be jailed and prosecuted for the bizarre medical experiments he has been conducting on these women.

 
Comment by Mark

Ann, I could not agree more.

There should be someone in Congress right now drafting legislation that articulates artificial insemination requirements and restrictions.

A world with over-population problems is not getting better with situations like this.

 
Comment by john

I just read where the octomom is looking to buy a $1.2 million house. The grandmother is looking at forclosure on hers because she is $23, some odd thousand behind in payments. Octomom hasn’t even thought of paying the hospital bills yet or getting a job to support the 14 kids. I guess welfare is a good steady income and I am sure that a few of the octuplets will have “disabilities” (like three of her other six kids) so she can collect even more money for herself at taxpayers expense. She certainly has her priorities straight. She deserves to live in the state of California!!

 
Comment by Robert

Octomom is the point-man for American Societal irresponsibility, it is obvious on so many levels, and propogated by the media. Additionally, in serious economic times, like now, people are stressed and are justifiably angered over another public bailout that this litter of 14 children will be for the State of Ca. This is a child protective service problem, there is little difference between a parent who neglects a single child, and a parent who cannot properly care for 14 children. The media has a responsibility to contrast a story of proper parental care with this situation, so your readers can discuss and contrast, how a potential parent can rationally decide how and when to have a family. No media attention is given to the rest of us who have worked, saved, paid our taxes, paid for our house, worked at our marriage, and then had a child (family) so we could care, educate, pay for child healthcare without public monies-meaning we contributed to society not withdrew from it. This individual has done nothing to contibute to society, that is the reason for backlash, those children should be given support, but not via this biological mother, but by offering them to other families, one at a time….after all, its called child protective services not irresponsible parental services, her website is opportunistic, and I would boycott all media attempts that result in money being given to the octomom, I do not think I am alone. Signed: “The Rest of America”

 
Comment by Terri 'the taxpayer'

This woman doesn’t deserve to even keep those babies. They are in danger. They deserve a Mother and a FATHER. There are so many families out there who would give them a normal life. She has a screw loose. Put them up for adoption. Who paid for the invetro????? I AM SO MAD.

 
Comment by ME

This is the reason that people do what they do. If everyone would mind there OWN and give her a chance to me a good mother to all 14 kids she might do great and then she might do horrible, who knows we are not her. I mean it is like Robert said “it is child protective services not irresponsible parental services” so until she admits or is not able to care for the children in the way they need then why give her any attention. I mean you want to complain that she is using tax payer’s money by using government programs what about the LAZY people that should/CAN work but they waste tax payer’s money and there are a lot more then 14 of them. Also what about the people that lie to get government help and waste tax money we all know there is more that 14 of them. Has any one ever thought that she is not working because she can’t get day care for that many kids I mean hell I have two and if I but them in day care it would be pointless for me to work. What should be done about all of them is if/when they file there taxes the government need to take the amount they used that year out of their taxes. I mean it is not like they will miss the money they never had it to begin with.

 
Comment by Jason L

She should be thrown in jail. Those poor kids should be put in foster care before they are old enough to know what happened to them. Why should we support this money grubbing W–re! As far as Health Care is concerned: Stop giving free health care to ILLEGALS!! You can thank Barry O. for taking out the clause that provides that you have to show citizenship!! The ILLEGALS are the biggest reason the H.C. system is broke!

 
Comment by dep

She rec’d a disablility settlment, she carries kids, bags and doesnt appear disabled. She should be made to payback the money recieved if she gets paid for pics, movie,etc. also I think her prior 3kids getting “disability” now should be reeval’d. ADD is a false epidemic and not disabling, how many are dx’d with ADD now in USA? I can tell you 99 % dont get a check, esp kids. She also owes over 1million $ for delivery, medical chgs, and neonatal care, she SHOULD have to repay California and any future bills if she gets paid for pics, or a movie etc. also assistance withdrawn. watch her taxes and fraud, if she has already gotten some money and not declared it, and still recieving income, food stamps, etc. esp if they divert the $ thru a relative or friend. Her finances need to be audited from now on and since she is rec’ing fed, state assistance I hope they monitor her resources for possible fraud.

 
Comment by clemsonTiger

This woman is abusing the system, and it only goes to show how liberal our society has become. She obviously only wanted more checks from the state, and how funny is it that she lives in the most liberal state in our country, which supposedly has the most industry, but is currently broke! And congrats to our federal government for doing the wrong thing with yet another stimulus for all the wrong reasons. Why didn’t they just do two things. Reduce the corporate tax rate, and get control of the healthcare industry. We’d all be better off.

 
Comment by Lori

She has a name besides the “octomom,” and it would be Nadya Suleman. She has served as a lightning rod for the anger in this country today of people feeling they have no control over who is taking their hard-earned money. It is easier to shoot a person down instead of a system though isn’t it? I would submit that the real financial drain in terms of people sapping the system doesn’t get the attention it deserves. Let’s look at the costs of illegal aliens in this country as to what they take from our local school systems, health services, and law enforcement agencies. Let’s consider the costs of MILLIONS of babies born out-of-wedlock to low-income moms who keep perpetuating the baby mill at our expense while the moms and dads are either absent or on drugs. Consider the costs of these issues in dollar terms and have a more intelligent use of news. To think that an individual has received such hostile comments from people including death threats and language in the most vile terms shows me how truly callous, nasty and EVIL some in our society have become. Nadya obviously has emotional issues that need to be addressed and certainly has vulnerable children that need to be cared for. Whether she should have done what she did is truly a mute point at the present time. Broaden the conversation FOX NEWS…quit feeding the vultures.

 
Comment by Wifey901

I think we all need t lighten up. Yes I agree that 14 kids is a lot to take care of. But she is not the only mother in the world with 14 kids. And most of them did it naturally. What about these men with 10, 15, or 20 children. That is not being taken care of. Back in the day, they had big families and it worked out. I know people who have raised 13 children. So it can been done. However, I do agree that she should try to help support these children. But if they are sick then she may not be able to. And daycare do cost so much. I quite my job and worked in one until my child was older. However, maybe she can get a reality show like John and Kate. Or the other couple who has either 16 or 18 children. They just built there own house. Anyway, we should at least give her a fighting chance. In addition, if she fails the child protective services should be involved. Nevertheless, you never know she just may be a good mom.

 
Comment by seasoned

I disagree with “Terri ‘the taxpayer’ “. The kids don’t even have a MOTHER! She was there ONLY to bring them into this cruel world. And the title of this piece? “Octomom vs. Economic Crisis: What’s Really Important?”? What the heck is THAT supposed to mean? That JERK IS hurting the economy! She costs her mother, hurts the local economy. OTHERS may leave their homes, or get less, she costs the local government, she costs the FEDERAL government, and then US! Although it may be a drop in the bucket, I figure the average taxpayer could pay for their share of maybe 1,500,000 such people, to the exclusion of ALL ELSE, it is obviously a part of the economic problem!

Frankly, most people DO want the roads, schools, etc… that we would have to abandon to pay for the 1.5 million such families.

 
Comment by Tracy

Octomom – instead of making house payments-got IVF and plastic surgery on our tax money. She and other greedy self centered people like her perpetuate the grotesque idiocy that encourages resource abuse, and the abuse of programs that were designed to help people. Instead of making house payments-Octomom used tax payers money fraudulently to have IVFs and plastic surgeries, as well as manicures and fru-fru coffees. To just assist her. is enabling a country of greedy and lazy parasites who believe it is their right to be taken care of. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE PULLING US UNDER! There are no active limitations on the abusers! If anyone can say letting an (unemployed, single mother of 6 IVF kids under age 7 , 3 with disabilities, and no house of her own, in fact the one she lives in with her parents is behind on taxes, and no plans how to fund or care for additional kids) is OK to receive 6 more fertilized eggs is not a crime–then it is obviously is a crime. We need to make limits or the parasites will continue to drown this once Grand but know sinking Country. America needs limits. The same is true for letting 50,000 Mexicans come in and start on medicaid. Limits people. Limits. Let us all Pray and write to those in congress and the Senate for Limits. Helping people is nice, until they start drowning you, then you need to go back to the blackboard and figure out a way to help without enabling!!!!! Simple Math..1mill on gov money have 5 mill kids=6 mill to feed.

 
Comment by Joe

With medical bill mounting, octomom is out looking at a new 1.2 million dollar home, it is apparent she is going to receive quite a large sum of money or has already received it. Is there any way the state of Califronia can put a lien on this money to pay for medical bills? It is obvious she is going to try and stick California with all these mounting medical bills, how considerate of her…

 
Comment by melanie

octomom is mentally ill obviously. that fertility doctor should pay for his outrageous malpractice and his license be revoked. nadya reflects the many people in society that take from others including allowing her mother to go into foreclosure instead of giving her mother the money she gave that stupid fertility specialist. warped…

 
Comment by anabeth

wow, the concern should only be on this 14 kids that did’nt ask to come to this world, hopefully dept. of child services would do the right thing and provide this kids a chance to grow up in a good family one who has the time to take care of each and every childs own needs. As obvious as it looks this PERSON has MAJOR MENTAL ILLNESS she should receive proper mental care for the rest of her life and to be paid out of her own pocket not thru government aid that’s where she should spend every dollar not on MAC lip gloss or manicures its great she’s finally getting $ from another source other then the government, if anything we should be asking WHY hasn’t child protective services gotten involve it’s obviously neglect………

 
Comment by jeff

THIS IS JUST PLAIN STUPID ….THIS WOMAN ..WELL NUT JOB.. SHOULD HAVE THOSE KIDS REMOVED FROM HER CARE ..ITS OBVIOUS THAT SHE IS A MENTAL CASE ..BRINGING KIDS INTO THE WORLD SHE CANT AFFORD ….AND EXPECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THEM
THIS IS ONE THAT SHOULD HAVE HER REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS REMOVED OVER HER STUPIDITY

 
Comment by jeff

SHE IS A MENTAL CASE THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT AWAY IN A PADDED CELL

 
Comment by Liz

Octomom has found a way to use the system as her ‘career’ – and at the same time feed her selfish psychological need. While people are losing their homes, Nadya Suleman expects to receive a home, money to live on, and since children with disabilities call for higher compensation – she doesn’t mind, as long as she has ‘love’. She would have to be found to be unfit to have the children put up for adoption for couples who cannot conceive. And who was the sperm donor? The doctor should be prosecuted for his part.

 
Comment by chuckelliott

The way you put a stop to all this crap is do away with the programs that are being abused. Families would be held responsible for their actions, and their children action. If the programs aren’t out there they can’t abuse them. Sounds cold and inhumane , so pay your taxes and don’t complain or get rid of the programs. Both white and blacks abuse the system, so don’t throw he race card out there. Get my drift.

 
Comment by mopone

Lets see, the Family with 17 and counting are paying their own way, Jon & Kate didnr get 6 on purpose! and support their children. Big difference here, also using her mother like she does is obscene, wherever she would go she would have to pay rent, Why didnt she help with her mothers mortgage while living with her? Knowing that without that house she and her 6 kids would be homeless??

 
Comment by kateb

This lady does seem to have some emotional health issues. Having these children, ‘having a big family’ reached an actual obsession for her.

That said, she was not trying to have 8 children. It never crossed anyone’s mind that all 6 embryo’s would take and two would turn into twins.

Her decision to refuse to abort any of the children had to be a tough one – but it was her choice.

She needs alot of support now and the help of a good licensed counselor. It is what it is. Now that the situation has arisen people should be good neighbors and be supportive.

Advocating jail is ridiculous. We don’t put mentally ill people in jail in the U.S. Absolute nonsense.

 
Comment by David

I’m from California and I really don’t care about the Octo-mom and her 14 kids, I pray for her and her children that they are all taken care of. But with the state of the California economy (we just passed the budget this past week. The US Government last october spent $700 Billion on a Financial Bailout that did not work, last Tuesday Obama signed into law $800 billion Spending bill full of Pork that will do little to nothing for our economy, the Tax Evading Treasury Secretary is going to spend another $2 Trillion on trying to fix the economy and the spending will continue for the next 4 years. Spending a few million dollars on the Octo-mom is drop in the bucket compared to the Federal Government Spending spree…GOD BLESS THE OCTO-MOM AND HER 14 CHILDREN!

 
Comment by disgusted-mom

Why should we as tax payers support a sorry, money hungry, no count liar. She claims shhe only wished to have one baby; “bull crap”. if she only wanted to have one baby why did she have six embryo’s implanted? This is what she wants. She has already milked more money than she deserves from the public. Times are tough, even with two people working in a household, taking care of three kids (properly) is costly. Why should we take out of our pockets to take care of a worthless welfare baby maker, whose sole purpose in life is to live off of her kids and get a free check so she can sit on her sorry can. She is a disgrace to real mothers, useless waste of flesh. And for the single moher’s who are applauding this woman, you are just as sick as she is. I was a single mother, I got out and busted my ass for years taking care of my kids never once used a food stamp, or a wefare check. Those things are for lazy women who want nothing more than to lay on their backs, and bring another life into this world for the sole purpose of a free ride. These kids didn’t ask to brought into this world, and now they will have to pay the price for their mother’s neglegence. My next question is since she is making so much money off of her own stupidity will she still get welfare and food stamps? More than likely.My heart cries for these poor kids, but I will not take from the mouths of my own children to support stupidity.

 
Comment by kathy

the babies are here. we cant beat this subject up forever.. i do feel that she was terribly irresponsible
the doctor more so.. she was clearly distrubed that having more children alone. no job was was crazy to agree to transpalnt hers eggs. he should have said NO. then forced she might have turned away by other doctors.. that being said,, she has a right to try and do what she can to take of these children from this pt on.. f she gets help so be it.. i would rather my taxes going to taking care of a child the lining the pocket of some lost cause…. it does take a village to raise a child in this day n age.
these are innocent beautiful children who deserve a chance.

 
Comment by Muggs McGuinness

Two points:

1. The conservative media are disseminating news a la 1984. We have a great human interest story with an “evil woman” who we are enticed to jeer at every day in our Hate Hour. The economy is in a shambles, people are mentally and physically ill from losing their homes and jobs and we are subjected to this garbage to distract us.

2. In healthcare, it is not patient abuse of the system, as is implied here, but doctor and insurers who are raping the system. I have a hospital bill of mine from 1956, when I was five years old, with a broken arm. I was in the hospital for two nights. The total bill, including medication was $78. Now, granted, that was a long time ago but today, this would be a few thousand dollars – way beyond normal inflation.

Chiropractors charge upwards of $50-$100 in New York. I go to a chiropractor who will not take insurance. He charges $35. We do need insurance for catastrophic illnesses, not for colds and flus. People need to be responsible for their own minor costs and doctors have to stop padding the bills for insurance companies.

 
Comment by sam knox

Call her Octmom, emomom, mentalmom, poster mom for screw ball,s. I hope she does not bless us with any more little feet. Sounds like she tring to out do Eve but with out Adam. Good luck Cailfornians in paying child support to her and her village. Oh did i forget to say selfish woman of the history of the Earth. Hey send her to Mars to populate that planet.

 
Comment by Pat

Unfortunately, the problems lie with the companies that will provide everything to this mother and her children. She will receive 24 hr help with childcare, food, clothing, etc. on top of what the government will give her. Where does this end?

I am frustrated that the citizens of the US are required to pay for the actions of nothing more than a breeding cow!! I am glad I am not a resident of CA because I know I would be staging a major protest!!

 
Comment by Shawna

How did she get invetro to begin with? Isn’t that very expensive? She is on food stamps and living with her mom. What kind of deal did she make with the hospital or doctor to make this happen? I hear of couples who desperately want to have one child but due to the expense of invetro can not do it. Did she use her children’s disability checks to pay… That money should be used to take care of them and if they do not require as much as she is getting because she has leftover to buy more babies they are paying her way to much. She is irresponsible. If she is on food stamps, she probably is on Title 19, free government insurance that pays for all medical cost for pregnancy and all of the babies medical expenses. I agree, the doctor got her pregnant, he can pay her bills.

 
Comment by Rena

She is being allowed to live off the system when she could get a job. No one should feel sorry for her because she did this to herself. She expects everyone to keep giving to her and I think the Government is in enough trouble without continuing to help people that keep having more children. She should of kept some of that money she got from that settlement and taken care of the kids she already has.

 
Comment by Judi

I am amazed and disgusted by the hate filled words I have read with regard to this woman. Why in the World would someone believe “the system” would be a better place for these children, then with their biological mother?! What a sad world we live in when people would, if they had their own way, remove these children from the their mother’s loving care. And who says a family has to be a mother and a father?? Yes that is the ideal, but no longer the norm. Get used to it! Don’t you all have anything better to talk about then Nadya Suleman? Look to your own houses before you begin throwing stones.

 
Comment by Jane

People, America is still the ‘Land of Opportunity’. This is Free Enterprise in action.

First: Work a year and a half—then file for Worker’s Compensation. (Who started the fight any way?)
Second: Milk the system for all it’s worth, so far $167k in Workers Comp, use money for IVF
Third: Have babies, get on welfare and SSI—that’s over $3k per month—tax free.
Fourth: Use up all of parents assets. Let them lose their home—as long as they keep paying for mine—who cares.
Sixth: Use disabled babies’ money to get plastic surgery for face and lips—got to look good on camera.
Seventh: Create deal with shady IVF doc. Cut him in on the ‘big money’ for a reality show. He’s earned it.
Eighth: Pawn babies out for highest price—it’s all about the money, honey!

Free care for all 14 children and their mother, but no reality show, what! After all the ‘work’ Nadya has done!
So what if she brings 14 souls into this world who will suffer for the rest of their lives. Concessions have to be made, stuff happens! I can think of a lot of adjectives to describe Nayda Suleman, but not one of them would be ‘mother’.

 
Comment by tired

I can’t help but wonder…..how is it this woman is able to AFFORD IVF if she is so finacially strapped she can get food stamps along with some kind of disability check for some of her older children? you hear about one having autism, which I agree can be a “disability” IF the child is severly affected….I’ve known several with “Asperger’s Disorder” who knew more about the things they chose to study than most adults. the only other “disability” I have heard mentioned is ADHD…that is a disability? you have GOT to be kidding me.
I also saw the video and pictures of her when she was younger and can’t help but agree that she LOOKS like she has had plastic surgery….where did that money come from?

 
Comment by student of history

Whether the Octamom’s actions have an impact on the US current economic woes should not be in debate. Until US society as a whole takes a hard look at its current social values and responsibilities, it will continue the rapid unabated slide towards socialism. As a human being I wish for a world where everyone would be treated equal as well as everyone having personal responsibility instilled, but unfortunately the US and world, as history shows, is populated by selfish humans (myself included) that only feel personal responsibility when there’s a personal benefit. History shows that mankind is incapable of transcending selfishness for the common good, and very few societies (i.e. pre-1800 American Indians) have been successful in sustaining self-rejuvenating cultures. Only societies that mandate personal responsibility without systemic welfare programs have been successful throughout history.

 
Comment by Diana

Octamom makes me sick. I hope all of her children are taken away from her and oops there goes her source of income. This lady is smarter than we think she knows just how to use the system. How is it possible that she can have 3 children while on disability. She makes me sick. I don’t want any of my tax dollars to go to her or any of her children.

 
Comment by SysAdminPgh

Come on people! She’s just trying to help us all… All she ever wanted was her own TV show so she could inform everyone how to raise children. She’s an ‘Expert’. Can you image living in the same neighborhood as her? Doesn’t the government have specs on the homes they pay for? I wonder if each kid gets their own room… Maybe Hollywood elites better watch out. She might be moving in next door to them. But call TLC and let them know you will never watch their channel if they give her a time slot and that you will also call your cable provider and ask that the channel be removed.

 

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