Comments on: The Psychology of a Madman http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/10/the-psychology-of-a-madman/ The latest from the FOX News Health team. Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:12:03 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: hammerlane http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/10/the-psychology-of-a-madman/#comment-23449 hammerlane Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:51:18 +0000 http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/?p=2573#comment-23449 Someone please tell me how Sarah Palin "qualifies" as trailer trash, if there is actually such a thing? And by the way, I have lived in brick homes, wood homes, mobile homes, and had family that lived in a concrete home. I believe we all need to ask ourselves how Jehovah God, the one and only true God, sees us. How do other people see us? Do we have the right to be so judgemental and self-righteous about other people? Look to yourself first if you want to judge someone and call someone a name. I am not going to engage in political issues right now because I really need to concentrate on starting this day with loving thoughts towards others, and the thought of what is happening to this wonderful, Christian nation is so horrible that I just am not up for it yet today. God bless The United States of America, the greatest nation on earth! Someone please tell me how Sarah Palin “qualifies” as trailer trash, if there is actually such a thing? And by the way, I have lived in brick homes, wood homes, mobile homes, and had family that lived in a concrete home. I believe we all need to ask ourselves how Jehovah God, the one and only true God, sees us. How do other people see us? Do we have the right to be so judgemental and self-righteous about other people? Look to yourself first if you want to judge someone and call someone a name. I am not going to engage in political issues right now because I really need to concentrate on starting this day with loving thoughts towards others, and the thought of what is happening to this wonderful, Christian nation is so horrible that I just am not up for it yet today. God bless The United States of America, the greatest nation on earth!

]]> By: alexakim http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/10/the-psychology-of-a-madman/#comment-23442 alexakim Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:47:05 +0000 http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/?p=2573#comment-23442 If loners feel rejected by society and others, is it assumed that the loner was not in fact rejected, he simply felt that way, due to his limitations? Or does society, those immediately around him, in fact reject loners, in a death by a thousand cuts kind of way? What Von Brunn did was despicable. I mourn for Ofcr Johns and his family. We need more people like Ofcr Johns and fewer people like Von Brunn. But no one is a two-dimensional standee of a villain. Humans are complex creatures and as long as society, any grouping of humans, continues to shrug off, dismiss, cast aside, ignore "loners," it would serve us better to stop acting surprised when they finally lose their minds. It would serve us better to not let them be loners. Think of how many times you tried, at whatever age, to call your parent's attention to something they did or didn't do that had a bad, negative, counter-productive, hurtful or all the way to criminal impact on you, but they refused to take responsibility. Now think of the times you felt all alone. Many of us would rather reject even just imagining it, because it feels too alone. There are many coping methods out there. Coping does not equal healing. It means getting by just enough so the people around you feel they can safely ignore you. In any event, any coping had run out and no healing reached Roeder, Muhammad or Von Brunn in time. If loners feel rejected by society and others, is it assumed that the loner was not in fact rejected, he simply felt that way, due to his limitations? Or does society, those immediately around him, in fact reject loners, in a death by a thousand cuts kind of way?

What Von Brunn did was despicable. I mourn for Ofcr Johns and his family. We need more people like Ofcr Johns and fewer people like Von Brunn.

But no one is a two-dimensional standee of a villain. Humans are complex creatures and as long as society, any grouping of humans, continues to shrug off, dismiss, cast aside, ignore “loners,” it would serve us better to stop acting surprised when they finally lose their minds. It would serve us better to not let them be loners.

Think of how many times you tried, at whatever age, to call your parent’s attention to something they did or didn’t do that had a bad, negative, counter-productive, hurtful or all the way to criminal impact on you, but they refused to take responsibility.

Now think of the times you felt all alone. Many of us would rather reject even just imagining it, because it feels too alone.

There are many coping methods out there. Coping does not equal healing. It means getting by just enough so the people around you feel they can safely ignore you. In any event, any coping had run out and no healing reached Roeder, Muhammad or Von Brunn in time.

]]> By: T Wiser http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/10/the-psychology-of-a-madman/#comment-23441 T Wiser Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:00:24 +0000 http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/?p=2573#comment-23441 Ann, Ken is right Barack Hussein Obama does suck and you are a weak minded individual that walked like the other two legged sheep and voted for him. Shame on you for spitting on the constitution by voting for that socialist! You dont throw money (stimulus) at the problem and expect it to work. You dont bow down to other countries presidents. He has no business telling a ceo in the private sector to step down (socialism). He has no business forming a nationalised health care program THATS NOT THE BUSINESS OF THE GOVERNMENT (socialism)! He has no business to tell the private sector how much money the executives can make (socialism). And the list goes on. Yes and I am sad that your such a white hater. You must have been indoctrinated by your local university. Ann,
Ken is right Barack Hussein Obama does suck and you are a weak minded individual that walked like the other two legged sheep and voted for him. Shame on you for spitting on the constitution by voting for that socialist! You dont throw money (stimulus) at the problem and expect it to work. You dont bow down to other countries presidents. He has no business telling a ceo in the private sector to step down (socialism). He has no business forming a nationalised health care program THATS NOT THE BUSINESS OF THE GOVERNMENT (socialism)! He has no business to tell the private sector how much money the executives can make (socialism). And the list goes on. Yes and I am sad that your such a white hater. You must have been indoctrinated by your local university.

]]> By: Wes Painter http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/10/the-psychology-of-a-madman/#comment-23440 Wes Painter Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:50:46 +0000 http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/?p=2573#comment-23440 Dr. Manny is correct. This was an act of domestic terrorism. Establishing a Psychological Profile for this old geezer is only useful if it aids in identifying others in the future who may "snap" and commit violent acts; however, even if such identification became scientifically possible (which I doubt), the left-wing loons would brand it profiling and no one would use the techniques due to the percieved political incorrectness. Mr. Von Brunn is not crazy or mentally ill, he's just plain mean. As a mean and despicable person (who purposely developed his state of mind over many years) he simply needs to be dealt with on that basis. He's personally responsible for his actions and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. As for Ann and Ken: of course they're both morons of the same ilk who've added nothing to this discussion. Dr. Manny is correct. This was an act of domestic terrorism. Establishing a Psychological Profile for this old geezer is only useful if it aids in identifying others in the future who may “snap” and commit violent acts; however, even if such identification became scientifically possible (which I doubt), the left-wing loons would brand it profiling and no one would use the techniques due to the percieved political incorrectness. Mr. Von Brunn is not crazy or mentally ill, he’s just plain mean. As a mean and despicable person (who purposely developed his state of mind over many years) he simply needs to be dealt with on that basis. He’s personally responsible for his actions and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

As for Ann and Ken: of course they’re both morons of the same ilk who’ve added nothing to this discussion.

]]> By: Alison http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/10/the-psychology-of-a-madman/#comment-23439 Alison Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:43:33 +0000 http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/?p=2573#comment-23439 M. Scott Peck wrote a great book, 'People of the Lie' about the psychology of evil. I don't think it matters what gender, color, race etc. that you are, there is that potential for evil in everyone. I think the best way to stop it in its tracks is to help people reach their potential whenever possible and try to put as much love out there as you can. Best to all! M. Scott Peck wrote a great book, ‘People of the Lie’ about the psychology of evil. I don’t think it matters what gender, color, race etc. that you are, there is that potential for evil in everyone. I think the best way to stop it in its tracks is to help people reach their potential whenever possible and try to put as much love out there as you can. Best to all!

]]> By: Zoomie http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/10/the-psychology-of-a-madman/#comment-23438 Zoomie Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:33:51 +0000 http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/?p=2573#comment-23438 Well, this was almost a thoughtful comments section (unusual for Fox News web site) until Shuemaker and Ann showed up. In any event, it is impossible to stop an individual that simply decides he's going to go out and take someone's life. It is an unfortunate and, thankfully, a rare manifestation of the dark side of our humanity. However, this incident also displays a part of the bright side: Officer Johns distinguished himself through heroic actions that clearly saved many lives, sacrificing his own in the process. I am proud of, and grateful to, him for his sacrifice. I pass along my condolences to his family and colleagues during their time of mourning. To them, I also pass along my gratitude and admiration for the roles they played in developing and supporting such a heroic man. God bless you all. Well, this was almost a thoughtful comments section (unusual for Fox News web site) until Shuemaker and Ann showed up. In any event, it is impossible to stop an individual that simply decides he’s going to go out and take someone’s life. It is an unfortunate and, thankfully, a rare manifestation of the dark side of our humanity. However, this incident also displays a part of the bright side: Officer Johns distinguished himself through heroic actions that clearly saved many lives, sacrificing his own in the process. I am proud of, and grateful to, him for his sacrifice. I pass along my condolences to his family and colleagues during their time of mourning. To them, I also pass along my gratitude and admiration for the roles they played in developing and supporting such a heroic man. God bless you all.

]]> By: T Wiser http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/10/the-psychology-of-a-madman/#comment-23437 T Wiser Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:32:54 +0000 http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/?p=2573#comment-23437 What needs to happen here is an in depth study as to why this man got this way in the first place. What were the specific events that led to this. What are the root causes and what were the stimulus' as he got older to make him and others, all races included, to get this way. Instead of ignoring the underlying problem I think its time to all sit down and start asking questions why people get this way in the first place and and what can be done about it in the future. As far as domestic terrorism why hasnt the media or the government classify gang members in this country domestic terrorists? A drive by shooting isnt terrorism? Or is that word reserved for certain situations. What needs to happen here is an in depth study as to why this man got this way in the first place. What were the specific events that led to this. What are the root causes and what were the stimulus’ as he got older to make him and others, all races included, to get this way. Instead of ignoring the underlying problem I think its time to all sit down and start asking questions why people get this way in the first place and and what can be done about it in the future. As far as domestic terrorism why hasnt the media or the government classify gang members in this country domestic terrorists? A drive by shooting isnt terrorism? Or is that word reserved for certain situations.

]]> By: onlyjustwords http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/10/the-psychology-of-a-madman/#comment-23436 onlyjustwords Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:14:03 +0000 http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/?p=2573#comment-23436 I beg to differ. The term "society" is being used here in a manner that is illogical. "Society", or the machinations of the group mind, so to speak, is a local phenomenon. It's all about what the dominant opinions are in a given region; and the group experience, be it engineered or circumstantial. You are generalizing here in a manner that makes no sense. Considering there are Neo Nazis being elected into German Government as we speak, these people may well be society if we continue to spread the notion that "society" is some elusive force that nobody can control, and everybody has to blindly follow despite what they think of the current trends of any predominant political trends. Neo Nazis are obsolete, and this man is a relic of a bygone era— with the new zealot being the environmental extremist. He was obviously embittered by some formative traumas. He killed what he perceived to be his enemy, and by all intents and purposes, this was an accurate interpretation given his belief system and cultural indoctrination. He was a simple victim of location if you consider he'd have had plenty of moral support back in Germany… More than a little bit scary, eh? I beg to differ. The term “society” is being used here in a manner that is illogical. “Society”, or the machinations of the group mind, so to speak, is a local phenomenon. It’s all about what the dominant opinions are in a given region; and the group experience, be it engineered or circumstantial. You are generalizing here in a manner that makes no sense. Considering there are Neo Nazis being elected into German Government as we speak, these people may well be society if we continue to spread the notion that “society” is some elusive force that nobody can control, and everybody has to blindly follow despite what they think of the current trends of any predominant political trends.

Neo Nazis are obsolete, and this man is a relic of a bygone era— with the new zealot being the environmental extremist. He was obviously embittered by some formative traumas. He killed what he perceived to be his enemy, and by all intents and purposes, this was an accurate interpretation given his belief system and cultural indoctrination. He was a simple victim of location if you consider he’d have had plenty of moral support back in Germany…

More than a little bit scary, eh?

]]> By: Alyce http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/10/the-psychology-of-a-madman/#comment-23435 Alyce Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:12:08 +0000 http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/?p=2573#comment-23435 Doctor, is the tendency to blame one's actions on some other causative agent (real or imagined, whether a person or an idea) a sign of mental instability? It seems to me that more and more people are doing this in our society. There is a fear of taking personal responsibility. It is much easier to point a finger and excuse actions that we ourselves know to be wrong by blaming some person, or group, or ideology. That doesn't make it right, but to some people it seems to be an acceptable excuse. I am in my 60's now. It seems to me that there has been a steady decline in personal responsibility for decades now. If a child has an accident while riding his bicycle, it is NOT his fault--it is the fault of poor manufacture or design of the bicycle. If a father loses his job, it is due to reverse discrimination. If a political party loses an election, it is due to malfeasance of the winning party. Terrorist vs. Lunatic. Is there really a difference? Both have no real grasp of reality or personal responsibility. Are we as a society, or a nation, required to equally condemn every action. If I criticize one miscreant, but fail to criticize another at the same moment, does that mean that I am condoning the one not mentioned? Please, people, let's be rational--not paranoid. Doctor, is the tendency to blame one’s actions on some other causative agent (real or imagined, whether a person or an idea) a sign of mental instability? It seems to me that more and more people are doing this in our society. There is a fear of taking personal responsibility. It is much easier to point a finger and excuse actions that we ourselves know to be wrong by blaming some person, or group, or ideology. That doesn’t make it right, but to some people it seems to be an acceptable excuse. I am in my 60’s now. It seems to me that there has been a steady decline in personal responsibility for decades now. If a child has an accident while riding his bicycle, it is NOT his fault–it is the fault of poor manufacture or design of the bicycle. If a father loses his job, it is due to reverse discrimination. If a political party loses an election, it is due to malfeasance of the winning party. Terrorist vs. Lunatic. Is there really a difference? Both have no real grasp of reality or personal responsibility. Are we as a society, or a nation, required to equally condemn every action. If I criticize one miscreant, but fail to criticize another at the same moment, does that mean that I am condoning the one not mentioned? Please, people, let’s be rational–not paranoid.

]]> By: me http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/10/the-psychology-of-a-madman/#comment-23434 me Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:08:03 +0000 http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/?p=2573#comment-23434 Ken: everything you cited as a problem is psychological anathema to your founding fathers and my Democracy Ken:

everything you cited as a problem is psychological anathema to your founding fathers and my Democracy

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